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From: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortelnetworks.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: user-mode port 0.44-2.4.7
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:37:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B5F5830.253C2E0D@nortelnetworks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0107251615430.22383-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> >
> > I will if Honza assures me that no future version of gcc will cause me to
> > crash if I don't declare xtime volatile and I play with it while it can
> > change under me (which seems not the case from his last email).
> 
> WHY DO YOU NOT ADD THE "VOLATILE" TO THE PLACES THAT _CARE_?
> 
> This is not a gcc issue. Even if gcc _were_ to generate bad code, the
> global volatile _still_ wouldn't be the correct answer.

I think his worry is the pedantic reason that without the volatile gcc is
allowed to write code that chokes and dies if xtime happens to change in a
volatile manner.  The example given earlier was:

code as written:
	kprintf("%d\n",xtime.tv_usec);

code as compiled by gcc (with xtime not specified as volatile):
	suseconds_t temp = xtime.tv_usec;
	if (temp != xtime.tv_usec)
		BUG();
	kprintf"%d\n",temp);

I hope that gcc would not do such a thing, but I think a case could be made that
it could do it and still comply with the language standard.

Of course, since the linux kernel is an important thing for gcc to compile, I
can't imagine them doing something that would break it on purpose without a
really good reason.

Chris


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  reply	other threads:[~2001-07-25 23:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-07-23  5:08 user-mode port 0.44-2.4.7 Jeff Dike
2001-07-23 15:56 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-07-23 15:59   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-07-23 16:17     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-07-23 16:51       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-07-23 16:33   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-23 16:45     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-07-23 17:32       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-23 17:50         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-07-23 18:11           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-23 18:27             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-07-23 20:00               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-23 20:15                 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-07-23 22:51                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-24  3:45                     ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-07-24 15:41                       ` Davide Libenzi
2001-07-24 15:46                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-07-24 16:01                           ` Davide Libenzi
2001-07-24 16:08                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-07-24 16:52                               ` Davide Libenzi
2001-07-24 16:59                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-24 17:31                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-07-24 17:38                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-24 18:07                               ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-07-23 20:44                 ` Chris Friesen
2001-07-23 21:11                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-07-23 21:50                   ` Richard Gooch
2001-07-23 22:09                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-07-23 13:20                       ` Rob Landley
2001-07-23 22:27                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-07-23 17:50                           ` Rob Landley
2001-07-23 23:47                     ` Richard Gooch
2001-07-24  0:04                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-07-24  9:02                         ` Jan Hubicka
2001-07-24 15:35                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-24 16:04                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-25 22:49                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-07-25 23:16                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-25 23:37                               ` Chris Friesen [this message]
2001-07-26 18:28                             ` Jan Hubicka
2001-07-26 18:35                               ` Alan Cox
2001-07-23 22:53                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-07-23 23:13                     ` Alan Cox
2001-07-23 20:25   ` Jeff Dike
     [not found] <no.id>
2001-07-23 20:57 ` Alan Cox
2001-07-23 21:14   ` Chris Friesen
2001-07-25 19:12 ` Alan Cox
2001-07-25 23:49 ` Alan Cox
2001-07-25 19:03 James W. Lake

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