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From: Bob <recbo@nishanet.com>
To: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: dialectical deprecation Re: cdrecord hangs my computer
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:22:56 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3FD4CF90.3000905@nishanet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1201390000.1070900656@[10.10.2.4]>

Martin J. Bligh wrote:

>>In contrast, the old cdrecord interfaces are an UNBELIEVABLE PILE OF CRAP!
>>It's an interface that is based on some random hardware layout mechanism
>>that isn't even TRUE any more, and hasn't been true for a long time. It's
>>not helpful to the user, and it doesn't match how devices are accessed by
>>everything else on the system.
>>
>>It's bad from a technical standpoint (anybody who names a generic device
>>with a flat namespace is just basically clueless), and it's bad from a
>>usability standpoint. It has _zero_ redeeming qualities.
>>    
>>
>
>I think the appropriate phrase is "user malevolent" software. Making
>the user interface fit some arcane technica rather than the user is
>rather tragic. Reality is quite complicated enough as it is, without
>deliberately setting out to make it more so.
>
>M.
>  
>
Today I realize that it's not double deprecation, it's dialectical
deprecation, for a user who gets caught between the deprecation
of ide-scsi and cdrecord targbuslun "flat" naming and then the
cdrecord error message when trying to use a full devpath. The
user's head is volleyed back and forth as cdrecord maintains
its "denial".

cdrecord whines about the full devpath in the first instance,
will not work if I use 1,0,0 in both places, but seems to
catch a clue about the devpath stub from the first instance
in order to use its 1,0,0 nomenclature below that.

#/etc/default/cdrecord
CDR_DEVICE=ATAPI:/dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/generic
#ATAPI:1,0,0 won't work in CDR_DEVICE, but...
yamaha=   ATAPI:1,0,0   -1      -1      ""

I'm scared(under-informed) to drop ide-scsi since
I'm using 3ware and don't know if just scsi-generic
would be enough for that hd controller(needs ide-scsi?
3ware's site doc is not easy to find).

-Bob


  reply	other threads:[~2003-12-08 19:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-12-06  8:01 cdrecord hangs my computer Tero Knuutila
2003-12-06  8:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-06  8:54   ` Ethan Weinstein
2003-12-06 11:59     ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-06 13:40     ` Wakko Warner
2003-12-06 14:37       ` John Bradford
2003-12-06 21:57       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-06 22:02         ` Larry McVoy
2003-12-06 22:32           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-07 11:01             ` Eduard Bloch
2003-12-07 16:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-08 16:21                 ` bill davidsen
2003-12-08 17:46                   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-09 12:38                     ` Bill Davidsen
2003-12-08 17:53                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-12-08 18:53                     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-08 19:40                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-12-09 14:50                         ` Ian Soboroff
2003-12-09 20:42                           ` Mikael Pettersson
2003-12-08 16:24                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-12-08 19:22                   ` Bob [this message]
2003-12-09 21:19                     ` dialectical deprecation " bill davidsen
2003-12-09 22:31                     ` David Lang
2003-12-09 21:51                       ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-08  4:36           ` Bob
2003-12-08  4:51             ` Larry McVoy
2003-12-07  0:16         ` Wakko Warner
2003-12-07  3:31           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-07  4:49           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-08 16:13         ` bill davidsen
2003-12-08 17:38           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-08 19:41             ` bluefaceplate demographics " Bob
2003-12-06 16:42     ` Linus Torvalds

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