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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
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	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
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	Oliver Upton <oupton@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] KVM: x86: implement KVM_{GET|SET}_TSC_STATE
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 12:48:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <70f9a5b3-d912-2a46-3718-a9c7591cd1f4@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87blf42dvv.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>

On 08/12/20 22:20, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> 
> So now life migration comes a long time after timekeeping had set the
> limits and just because it's virt it expects that everything works and it
> just can ignore these limits.
> 
> TBH. That's not any different than SMM or hard/firmware taking the
> machine out for lunch. It's exactly the same: It's broken.

I agree.  If *live* migration stops the VM for 200 seconds, it's broken.

Sure, there's the case of snapshotting the VM over the weekend.  My 
favorite solution would be to just put it in S3 before doing that.  *Do 
what bare metal does* and you can't go that wrong.

In general it's userspace policy whether to keep the TSC value the same 
across live migration.  There's pros and cons to both approaches, so KVM 
should provide the functionality to keep the TSC running (which the 
guest will see as a very long, but not extreme SMI), and this is what 
this series does.  Maxim will change it to operate per-VM.  Thanks 
Thomas, Oliver and everyone else for the input.

Paolo


  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-10 11:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-03 17:11 [PATCH v2 0/3] RFC: Precise TSC migration Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-03 17:11 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] KVM: x86: implement KVM_{GET|SET}_TSC_STATE Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-06 16:19   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 12:16     ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-07 13:16       ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2020-12-07 17:41         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-08  9:48           ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-10 11:42           ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-10 12:14             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-10 12:22               ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-10 13:01                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-10 20:20                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 16:38       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 16:53         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-07 17:00           ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-07 18:04             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-07 23:11               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-08 17:43                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-08 19:24                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-08 20:32                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-09  0:19                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-09  4:08                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-09 10:14                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-10 23:42                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-08 11:24               ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-08  9:35         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-07 23:34     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-07 17:29   ` Oliver Upton
2020-12-08 11:13     ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-08 15:57       ` Oliver Upton
2020-12-08 15:58         ` Oliver Upton
2020-12-08 17:10           ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-08 16:40       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-08 17:08         ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-10 11:48           ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-10 14:25             ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-07 23:29   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-08 14:50     ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-08 16:02       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-08 16:25         ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-08 17:33           ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-08 21:25             ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-08 18:12           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-08 21:35             ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-08 21:20           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-10 11:48             ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2020-12-10 14:52               ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-10 15:16                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-10 17:59                   ` Oliver Upton
2020-12-10 18:05                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-10 18:13                       ` Oliver Upton
2020-12-10 21:25                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-10 22:01                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-10 22:28                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-10 23:19                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-11  0:03                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-08 18:11         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-08 21:33           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-09 16:34             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-09 20:58               ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-10 15:26                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-10 21:48                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-11  0:27                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-11 13:30                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-11 14:18                         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-11 21:04                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-11 21:59                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-12 13:03                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-15 10:59                               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-15 16:55                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-15 22:34                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-11 13:37                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-08 17:35       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-03 17:11 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] KVM: x86: introduce KVM_X86_QUIRK_TSC_HOST_ACCESS Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-03 17:11 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] kvm/selftests: update tsc_msrs_test to cover KVM_X86_QUIRK_TSC_HOST_ACCESS Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-07 23:16 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] RFC: Precise TSC migration Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-10 11:48 ` Paolo Bonzini

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