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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>
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	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] KVM: x86: implement KVM_{GET|SET}_TSC_STATE
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 12:42:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b6e0656b-4e3f-cf47-5ec9-eead44b2f2e9@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875z5d5x9m.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>

On 07/12/20 18:41, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> Right this happens still occasionally, but for quite some time this is
> 100% firmware sillyness and not a fundamental property of the hardware
> anymore.

It's still a fundamental property of old hardware.  Last time I tried to 
kill support for processors earlier than Core 2, I had to revert it. 
That's older than Nehalem.

>> We try to catch such situation in KVM instead of blowing up but
>> this may still result in subtle bugs I believe. Maybe we would be better
>> off killing all VMs in case TSC ever gets unsynced (by default).
> 
> I just ran a guest on an old machine with unsynchronized TSCs and was
> able to observe clock monotonic going backwards between two threads
> pinned on two vCPUs, which _is_ bad. Getting unsynced clocks reliably
> under control is extremly hard.

Using kvmclock?  (Half serious: perhaps a good reason to have per-vCPU 
offsets is to be able to test what happens with unsynchronized TSCs...).

Paolo


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-12-10 11:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-03 17:11 [PATCH v2 0/3] RFC: Precise TSC migration Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-03 17:11 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] KVM: x86: implement KVM_{GET|SET}_TSC_STATE Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-06 16:19   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 12:16     ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-07 13:16       ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2020-12-07 17:41         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-08  9:48           ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-10 11:42           ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2020-12-10 12:14             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-10 12:22               ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-10 13:01                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-10 20:20                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 16:38       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-07 16:53         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-07 17:00           ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-07 18:04             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-07 23:11               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-08 17:43                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-08 19:24                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-08 20:32                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-09  0:19                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-09  4:08                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-09 10:14                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-10 23:42                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-08 11:24               ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-08  9:35         ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-12-07 23:34     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-07 17:29   ` Oliver Upton
2020-12-08 11:13     ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-08 15:57       ` Oliver Upton
2020-12-08 15:58         ` Oliver Upton
2020-12-08 17:10           ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-08 16:40       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-08 17:08         ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-10 11:48           ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-10 14:25             ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-07 23:29   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-08 14:50     ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-08 16:02       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-08 16:25         ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-08 17:33           ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-08 21:25             ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-08 18:12           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-08 21:35             ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-08 21:20           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-10 11:48             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-10 14:52               ` Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-10 15:16                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-10 17:59                   ` Oliver Upton
2020-12-10 18:05                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-10 18:13                       ` Oliver Upton
2020-12-10 21:25                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-10 22:01                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-10 22:28                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-10 23:19                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-11  0:03                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-08 18:11         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-08 21:33           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-09 16:34             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-09 20:58               ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-10 15:26                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-10 21:48                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-11  0:27                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-11 13:30                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-11 14:18                         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-11 21:04                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-11 21:59                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-12 13:03                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-15 10:59                               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-15 16:55                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-12-15 22:34                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-12-11 13:37                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-12-08 17:35       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-03 17:11 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] KVM: x86: introduce KVM_X86_QUIRK_TSC_HOST_ACCESS Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-03 17:11 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] kvm/selftests: update tsc_msrs_test to cover KVM_X86_QUIRK_TSC_HOST_ACCESS Maxim Levitsky
2020-12-07 23:16 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] RFC: Precise TSC migration Marcelo Tosatti
2020-12-10 11:48 ` Paolo Bonzini

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