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To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
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Subject: RE: [PATCH 3/5] vDPA: introduce vDPA bus
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 11:09:38 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AM0PR0502MB37956A8D6690B190EEA713A5C30D0@AM0PR0502MB3795.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <028ed448-a948-79d9-f224-c325029b17ab@redhat.com>
Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:35 AM, Jason Wang:
> Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] vDPA: introduce vDPA bus
>
>
> On 2020/1/21 下午4:15, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 04:00:38PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> >> On 2020/1/21 下午1:47, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 12:00:57PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> >>>> On 2020/1/21 上午1:49, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 04:43:53PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> >>>>>> This is similar to the design of platform IOMMU part of
> >>>>>> vhost-vdpa. We decide to send diffs to platform IOMMU there. If
> >>>>>> it's ok to do that in driver, we can replace set_map with incremental
> API like map()/unmap().
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Then driver need to maintain rbtree itself.
> >>>>> I think we really need to see two modes, one where there is a
> >>>>> fixed translation without dynamic vIOMMU driven changes and one
> >>>>> that supports vIOMMU.
> >>>> I think in this case, you meant the method proposed by Shahaf that
> >>>> sends diffs of "fixed translation" to device?
> >>>>
> >>>> It would be kind of tricky to deal with the following case for example:
> >>>>
> >>>> old map [4G, 16G) new map [4G, 8G)
> >>>>
> >>>> If we do
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) flush [4G, 16G)
> >>>> 2) add [4G, 8G)
> >>>>
> >>>> There could be a window between 1) and 2).
> >>>>
> >>>> It requires the IOMMU that can do
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) remove [8G, 16G)
> >>>> 2) flush [8G, 16G)
> >>>> 3) change [4G, 8G)
> >>>>
> >>>> ....
> >>> Basically what I had in mind is something like qemu memory api
> >>>
> >>> 0. begin
> >>> 1. remove [8G, 16G)
> >>> 2. add [4G, 8G)
> >>> 3. commit
> >>
> >> This sounds more flexible e.g driver may choose to implement static
> >> mapping one through commit. But a question here, it looks to me this
> >> still requires the DMA to be synced with at least commit here.
> >> Otherwise device may get DMA fault? Or device is expected to be paused
> DMA during begin?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> > For example, commit might switch one set of tables for another,
> > without need to pause DMA.
>
>
> Yes, I think that works but need confirmation from Shahaf or Jason.
From my side, as I wrote, I would like to see the suggested function prototype along w/ the definition of the expectation from driver upon calling those.
It is not 100% clear to me what should be the outcome of remove/flush/change/commit
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> >
> >>> Anyway, I'm fine with a one-shot API for now, we can improve it
> >>> later.
> >>>
> >>>>> There are different optimization goals in the drivers for these
> >>>>> two configurations.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> If the first one, then I think memory hotplug is a heavy flow
> >>>>>>> regardless. Do you think the extra cycles for the tree traverse
> >>>>>>> will be visible in any way?
> >>>>>> I think if the driver can pause the DMA during the time for
> >>>>>> setting up new mapping, it should be fine.
> >>>>> This is very tricky for any driver if the mapping change hits the
> >>>>> virtio rings. :(
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Even a IOMMU using driver is going to have problems with that..
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jason
> >>>> Or I wonder whether ATS/PRI can help here. E.g during I/O page
> >>>> fault, driver/device can wait for the new mapping to be set and
> >>>> then replay the DMA.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-01-21 11:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-01-16 12:42 [PATCH 0/5] vDPA support Jason Wang
2020-01-16 12:42 ` [PATCH 1/5] vhost: factor out IOTLB Jason Wang
2020-01-17 4:14 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-01-17 9:34 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-18 0:01 ` kbuild test robot
2020-01-18 0:40 ` kbuild test robot
2020-01-16 12:42 ` [PATCH 2/5] vringh: IOTLB support Jason Wang
2020-01-17 21:54 ` kbuild test robot
2020-01-17 22:33 ` kbuild test robot
2020-01-16 12:42 ` [PATCH 3/5] vDPA: introduce vDPA bus Jason Wang
2020-01-16 15:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-01-17 3:03 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-17 13:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-01-20 7:50 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-20 12:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-20 17:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-01-20 21:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-21 14:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-01-21 14:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-21 14:16 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-01-21 8:40 ` Tian, Kevin
2020-01-21 9:41 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-17 4:16 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-01-17 9:34 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-17 12:13 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-17 13:52 ` Jason Wang
[not found] ` <CAJPjb1+fG9L3=iKbV4Vn13VwaeDZZdcfBPvarogF_Nzhk+FnKg@mail.gmail.com>
2020-01-19 9:07 ` Shahaf Shuler
2020-01-19 9:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-20 8:44 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-20 12:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-21 3:32 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-20 8:43 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-20 17:49 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-01-20 20:51 ` Shahaf Shuler
2020-01-20 21:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-20 21:47 ` Shahaf Shuler
2020-01-20 21:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-21 6:01 ` Shahaf Shuler
2020-01-21 7:57 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-21 14:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-01-21 14:16 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-20 21:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-21 4:00 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-21 5:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-21 8:00 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-21 8:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-21 8:35 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-21 11:09 ` Shahaf Shuler [this message]
2020-01-22 6:36 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-21 14:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-01-21 14:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-01-22 6:18 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-20 8:19 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-16 12:42 ` [PATCH 4/5] virtio: introduce a vDPA based transport Jason Wang
2020-01-16 15:38 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-01-17 9:32 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-17 14:00 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-01-20 7:52 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-17 4:10 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-01-16 12:42 ` [PATCH 5/5] vdpasim: vDPA device simulator Jason Wang
2020-01-16 15:47 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-01-17 9:32 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-17 14:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-01-20 8:01 ` Jason Wang
2020-02-04 4:19 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-17 4:12 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-01-17 9:35 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-18 18:18 ` kbuild test robot
2020-01-28 3:32 ` Dan Carpenter
2020-02-04 4:07 ` Jason Wang
2020-02-04 8:21 ` Zhu Lingshan
2020-02-04 8:28 ` Jason Wang
2020-02-04 12:52 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-02-05 3:14 ` Jason Wang
2020-01-21 8:44 ` [PATCH 0/5] vDPA support Tian, Kevin
2020-01-21 9:39 ` Jason Wang
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