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From: Pavel Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 5/6] mm/gup: migrate pinned pages out of movable zone
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 16:09:02 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+CK2bC6u4wnHX53ZhfPtQBLTDbD3t4V9Zuhj=HwD3gEyL4Puw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201211204600.GD5487@ziepe.ca>

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 3:46 PM Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 03:40:57PM -0500, Pavel Tatashin wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 3:23 PM Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 03:21:39PM -0500, Pavel Tatashin wrote:
> > > > @@ -1593,7 +1592,7 @@ static long check_and_migrate_cma_pages(struct mm_struct *mm,
> > > >                               }
> > > >
> > > >                               if (!isolate_lru_page(head)) {
> > > > -                                     list_add_tail(&head->lru, &cma_page_list);
> > > > +                                     list_add_tail(&head->lru, &movable_page_list);
> > > >                                       mod_node_page_state(page_pgdat(head),
> > > >                                                           NR_ISOLATED_ANON +
> > > >                                                           page_is_file_lru(head),
> > > > @@ -1605,7 +1604,7 @@ static long check_and_migrate_cma_pages(struct mm_struct *mm,
> > > >               i += step;
> > > >       }
> > > >
> > > > -     if (!list_empty(&cma_page_list)) {
> > > > +     if (!list_empty(&movable_page_list)) {
> > >
> > > You didn't answer my earlier question, is it OK that ZONE_MOVABLE
> > > pages leak out here if ioslate_lru_page() fails but the
> > > moval_page_list is empty?
> > >
> > > I think the answer is no, right?
> > In my opinion it is OK. We are doing our best to not pin movable
> > pages, but if isolate_lru_page() fails because pages are currently
> > locked by someone else, we will end up long-term pinning them.
> > See comment in this patch:
> > +        * 1. Pinned pages: (long-term) pinning of movable pages is avoided
> > +        *    when pages are pinned and faulted, but it is still possible that
> > +        *    address space already has pages in ZONE_MOVABLE at the time when
> > +        *    pages are pinned (i.e. user has touches that memory before
> > +        *    pinning). In such case we try to migrate them to a different zone,
> > +        *    but if migration fails the pages can still end-up pinned in
> > +        *    ZONE_MOVABLE. In such case, memory offlining might retry a long
> > +        *    time and will only succeed once user application unpins pages.
>
> It is not "retry a long time" it is "might never complete" because
> userspace will hold the DMA pin indefinitely.
>
> Confused what the point of all this is then ??
>
> I thought to goal here is to make memory unplug reliable, if you leave
> a hole like this then any hostile userspace can block it forever.

You are right, I used a wording from the previous comment, and it
should be made clear that pin may be forever. Without these patches it
is guaranteed that hot-remove will fail if there are pinned pages as
ZONE_MOVABLE is actually the first to be searched. Now, it will fail
only due to exceptions listed in ZONE_MOVABLE comment:

1. pin + migration/isolation failure
2. memblock allocation due to limited amount of space for kernelcore
3. memory holes
4. hwpoison
5. Unmovable PG_offline pages (? need to study why this is a scenario).

Do you think we should unconditionally unpin pages, and return error
when isolation/migration fails?

Pasha

>
> Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-11 21:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-11 20:21 [PATCH v3 0/6] prohibit pinning pages in ZONE_MOVABLE Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-11 20:21 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] mm/gup: don't pin migrated cma pages in movable zone Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-11 20:21 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] mm cma: rename PF_MEMALLOC_NOCMA to PF_MEMALLOC_PIN Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-14 14:03   ` Michal Hocko
2020-12-15  4:37     ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-11 20:21 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] mm: apply per-task gfp constraints in fast path Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-14 14:09   ` Michal Hocko
2020-12-15  5:20     ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-15  8:25       ` Michal Hocko
2020-12-15 17:35         ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-11 20:21 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] mm: honor PF_MEMALLOC_PIN for all movable pages Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-14 14:17   ` Michal Hocko
2020-12-15  5:24     ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-15  8:27       ` Michal Hocko
2020-12-15 17:28         ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-11 20:21 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] mm/gup: migrate pinned pages out of movable zone Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-11 20:23   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-11 20:40     ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-11 20:46       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-11 21:09         ` Pavel Tatashin [this message]
2020-12-11 21:29           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-12-11 21:35             ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-11 21:53               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-12-11 23:00                 ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-12-12  0:07                   ` John Hubbard
2020-12-11 23:50                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-12  7:29                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-12-14 13:36                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-14 14:21                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-12-14 14:30                         ` Michal Hocko
2020-12-14 14:19   ` Michal Hocko
2020-12-11 20:21 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] memory-hotplug.rst: add a note about ZONE_MOVABLE and page pinning Pavel Tatashin

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