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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>,
	Jonas Oberhauser <jonas.oberhauser@huawei.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, will <will@kernel.org>,
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	quic_neeraju <quic_neeraju@quicinc.com>,
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	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Internal vs. external barriers (was: Re: Interesting LKMM litmus test)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2023 15:32:24 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y82dWEW4RwclDTGM@rowland.harvard.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230120212037.GW2948950@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1>

On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 01:20:37PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 03:36:24PM -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 11:20:32AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 01:37:51PM -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> > > > srcu_read_unlock() does not need a full smp_mb().
> > > 
> > > That is quite possible, and that is what we are looking into.  And testing
> > > thus far agrees with you.  But the grace-period ordering constraints
> > > are quite severe, so this requires careful checking and severe testing.
> > 
> > If you're interested, I can provide a simple argument to show that the 
> > Fundamental Law of RCU would continue to hold with only a release fence.  
> > There is an added requirement: merely that synchronize_srcu() must have 
> > an smp_mb() somewhere after its final read of the unlock counters -- 
> > which your version of the algorithm already has.
> 
> Please!
> 
> For your amusement, here is a very informal argument that this is
> the case:
> 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xvwQzavmH474MBPAIBqVyvCrCcS5j2BpqhErPhRj7Is/edit?usp=sharing
> 
> See the "Read-Side Optimizations" section at the end.

It looks like you've got the basic idea.  Most of the complications seem 
to arise from the different ways a grace period can happen.

Here's what I was thinking.  Let C be a read-side critical section, with 
L being its invocation of srcu_down_read() and U being the matching 
invocation of srcu_up_read().  Let idx be the index value read by L (and 
used by U).  I will assume that L has the form:

	idx = READ_ONCE(ss->index);
	temp = this_cpu(ss->lock)[idx];
	WRITE_ONCE(this_cpu(ss->lock)[idx], temp + 1)
	smp_mb();

(or whatever is the right syntax for incrementing a per-cpu array 
element).  Likewise, assume U has the form:

	temp = this_cpu(ss->unlock)[idx];
	smp_store_release(&this_cpu(ss->unlock)[idx], temp + 1);

Let G be any SRCU grace period -- an invocation of synchronize_srcu(ss). 
Assume G has the overall form:

	accumulate_and_compare_loop(!ss->index);
	smp_mb();
	WRITE_ONCE(ss->index, !ss->index);
	smp_mb();
	accumulate_and_compare_loop(!ss->index);

where accumulate_and_compare_loop(i) has the form:

	do {
		s = t = 0;
		for each CPU c:
			s += READ_ONCE(cpu(c, ss->unlock)[i]);
		smp_mb();
		for each CPU c:
			t += READ_ONCE(cpu(c, ss->lock)[i]);
	} while (s != t);

It's not too hard to show, and I trust you already believe, that in the 
final iteration of the accumulate_and_compare_loop(i) call for which 
i = idx, the lock-counter increment in L is observed if and only if the 
unlock-counter increment in U is observed.  Thus we have two cases:

Case 1: Both of the increments are observed.  Since the increment in U 
is a store-release, every write that propagated to U's CPU before the 
increment is therefore visible to G's CPU before its last read of an 
unlock counter.  Since the full fence in accumulate_and_compare_loop() 
is executed after the last such read, these writes must propagate to 
every CPU before G ends.

Case 2: Neither of the increments is observed.  Let W be any write which 
propagated to G's CPU before G started.  Does W propagate to C before L 
ends?  We have the following SB or RWC pattern:

	G                          C
	------------------------   -----------------------
	W propagates to G's CPU    L writes lock counter
	G does smp_mb()            L does smp_mb()
	G reads L's lock counter   W propagates to C's CPU

(The smp_mb() in the left column is the one in 
accumulate_and_compare_loop(idx), which precedes the reads of the lock 
counters.)

If L's smp_mb() ended before G's did then L's write to the lock counter 
would have propagated to G's CPU before G's smp_mb() ended, and hence G 
would have observed the lock-counter increment.  Since this didn't 
happen, we know that G's smp_mb() ends before L's does.  This means that 
W must propagate to every CPU before L terminates, and hence before C's 
critical section starts.

Together, these two cases cover the requirements of the Fundamental Law 
of RCU.  The memory barrier in U was needed only in Case 1, and there it 
only needed to be a release fence.

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-22 20:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]         ` <f763bd5ff835458d8750b61da47fe316@huawei.com>
2023-01-03 18:56           ` Internal vs. external barriers (was: Re: Interesting LKMM litmus test) Alan Stern
2023-01-04 15:37             ` Andrea Parri
2023-01-04 20:58               ` Alan Stern
     [not found]             ` <ee186bc17a5e48298a5373f688496dce@huawei.com>
2023-01-05 17:32               ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]                 ` <bea712c82e6346f8973399a5711ff78a@huawei.com>
2023-01-11 15:06                   ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                     ` <768ffe7edc7f4ddfacd5b0a8e844ed84@huawei.com>
2023-01-11 17:01                       ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                         ` <07579baee4b84532a76ea8b0b33052bb@huawei.com>
2023-01-12 21:57                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-13 16:38                             ` Alan Stern
2023-01-13 19:54                               ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]                               ` <06a8aef7eb8d46bca34521a80880dae3@huawei.com>
2023-01-14 17:42                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]                             ` <e51c82a113484b6bb62354a49376f248@huawei.com>
2023-01-14 16:42                               ` Alan Stern
2023-01-17 17:48                                 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-17 21:19                                   ` Alan Stern
2023-01-18 11:25                                     ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-19  2:28                                       ` Alan Stern
2023-01-19 11:22                                         ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-19 16:41                                           ` Alan Stern
2023-01-19 18:43                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-23 16:16                                             ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-23 19:58                                               ` Alan Stern
2023-01-23 20:06                                                 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-23 20:41                                                   ` Alan Stern
2023-01-24 13:21                                                     ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-24 15:54                                             ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-24 17:22                                               ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                     ` <4c1abc7733794519ad7c5153ae8b58f9@huawei.com>
2023-01-13 16:28                       ` Alan Stern
2023-01-13 20:07                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-13 20:32                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-14 17:40                             ` Alan Stern
2023-01-14 17:48                               ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]                             ` <136d019d8c8049f6b737627df830e66f@huawei.com>
2023-01-14 17:53                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-14 18:15                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-14 19:58                                   ` Alan Stern
2023-01-15  5:19                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-14 20:19                                   ` Alan Stern
2023-01-15  5:15                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-15 16:23                                       ` Alan Stern
2023-01-15 18:10                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-15 20:46                                           ` Alan Stern
2023-01-16  4:23                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-16 18:11                                               ` Alan Stern
2023-01-16 19:06                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-16 19:20                                                   ` Alan Stern
2023-01-16 22:13                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-17 11:46                                                       ` Andrea Parri
2023-01-17 15:14                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-17 15:56                                                           ` Alan Stern
2023-01-17 17:43                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-17 18:27                                                               ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-17 18:55                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-17 20:20                                                                   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-17 20:15                                                               ` Alan Stern
2023-01-18  3:50                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-18 16:50                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2023-01-18 19:42                                                                     ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-18 20:19                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-18 20:30                                                                         ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-18 21:12                                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-18 21:24                                                                             ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-19  0:11                                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-19 13:39                                                                                 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-19 18:41                                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-19 19:51                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2023-01-19 21:53                                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-19 22:04                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2023-01-19 23:03                                                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-20  9:43                                                                                         ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-20 15:39                                                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-20 20:46                                                                                             ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-20 21:37                                                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-20 22:36                                                                                                 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-20 23:19                                                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-21  0:03                                                                                                     ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-21  0:34                                                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-20  3:55                                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-20  9:20                                                                                         ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-20 12:34                                                                                         ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-20 12:51                                                                                           ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-20 15:32                                                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-20 20:56                                                                                               ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-20 21:40                                                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-20 16:14                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2023-01-20 17:30                                                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-20 18:15                                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2023-01-20 18:59                                                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-20 10:13                                                                                     ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-20 15:47                                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-20 22:21                                                                                         ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-20 16:18                                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2023-01-20 21:41                                                                                         ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-21  4:38                                                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-21 17:36                                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2023-01-21 18:40                                                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-21 19:56                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2023-01-21 20:10                                                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-21 21:03                                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2023-01-21 23:49                                                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-23 11:48                                                                                             ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-23 15:55                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2023-01-23 19:40                                                                                                 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-23 20:34                                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2023-01-18 20:06                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-18 20:54                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2023-01-18 21:05                                                                         ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-19  0:02                                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-19  2:19                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2023-01-19 11:23                                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-20 16:01                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2023-01-20 17:58                                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-20 18:37                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2023-01-20 19:20                                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-20 20:36                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2023-01-20 21:20                                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-22 20:32                                                                                       ` Alan Stern [this message]
2023-01-23 20:16                                                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-24  2:18                                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2023-01-24  4:06                                                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-24 11:09                                                                                               ` Andrea Parri
2023-01-24 14:54                                                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-24 15:11                                                                                                   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-24 16:22                                                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-24 16:39                                                                                                       ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-24 17:26                                                                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-24 19:30                                                                                                           ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-24 22:15                                                                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-24 22:35                                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2023-01-24 22:54                                                                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-25  1:54                                                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2023-01-25  2:20                                                                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-25 13:10                                                                                                                       ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-25 15:05                                                                                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-25 15:34                                                                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2023-01-25 17:18                                                                                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-25 17:42                                                                                                                               ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-25 19:08                                                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2023-01-25 19:46                                                                                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-25 20:36                                                                                                                                   ` Andrea Parri
2023-01-25 21:10                                                                                                                                     ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-25 21:23                                                                                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-25 20:46                                                                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2023-01-25 21:38                                                                                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-25 23:33                                                                                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-26  1:45                                                                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2023-01-26  1:53                                                                                                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-26 12:17                                                                                                                                             ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-26 18:48                                                                                                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-27 15:03                                                                                                                                                 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-27 16:50                                                                                                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-27 16:54                                                                                                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-18 19:57                                                                   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-18 21:06                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-18  2:15                                                               ` Alan Stern
2023-01-18  5:17                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-18 16:03                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2023-01-18 16:59                                                                     ` Boqun Feng
2023-01-18 17:08                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2023-01-18 17:41                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-19 19:07                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-14 16:55                           ` Alan Stern
2023-01-14 17:35                             ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]                         ` <17078dd97cb6480f9c51e27058af3197@huawei.com>
2023-01-14 17:27                           ` Alan Stern

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