From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org,
Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] bcachefs
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 01:41:22 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZPfKsp9/LVHbk4Px@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230906000007.ry5rmk35vt57kppx@moria.home.lan>
On Tue, Sep 05, 2023 at 08:00:07PM -0400, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 05, 2023 at 06:24:47AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > Hi Kent,
> >
> > I thought you'd follow Christians proposal to actually work with
> > people to try to use common APIs (i.e. to use iomap once it's been
> > even more iter-like, for which I'm still waiting for suggestions),
> > and make your new APIs used more widely if they are a good idea
> > (which also requires explaining them better) and aim for 6.7 once
> > that is done.
>
> Christoph, I get that iomap is your pet project and you want to make it
> better and see it more widely used.
>
> But the reasons bcachefs doesn't use iomap have been discussed at
> length, and I've posted and talked about the bcachefs equivalents of
> that code. You were AWOL on those discussions; you consistently say
> "bcachefs should use iomap" and then walk away, so those discussions
> haven't moved forwards.
>
> To recap, besides being more iterator like (passing data structures
> around with iterators, vs. indirect function calls into the filesystem),
> bcachefs also hangs a bit more state off the pagecache, due to being
> multi device and also using the same data structure for tracking disk
> reservations (because why make the buffered write paths look that up
> separately?).
I /thought/ the proposal was to use iomap for bcachefs DIO and leave
buffered writes for a different day. I agree the iomap buffered write
path is inappropriate for bcachefs today. I'd like that to change,
but there's a lot of functionality that it would need to support.
I don't see the point in keeping bcachefs out of tree for another cycle.
Yes, more use of iomap would be great, but I don't think that it being
in-tree is going to hinder anything. It's not like it uses bufferheads.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-09-06 0:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 141+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-03 3:25 [GIT PULL] bcachefs Kent Overstreet
2023-09-05 13:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-06 0:00 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-06 0:41 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2023-09-06 16:10 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-06 17:57 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-09-08 9:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-06 19:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-06 20:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-06 20:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-06 21:55 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2023-09-06 23:13 ` David Sterba
2023-09-06 23:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-06 23:46 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2023-09-06 23:53 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2023-09-06 23:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-10 0:53 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-07 20:37 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-07 20:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-07 23:40 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-08 6:29 ` Martin Steigerwald
2023-09-08 9:11 ` Joshua Ashton
2023-09-06 22:28 ` Nathan Chancellor
2023-09-07 0:03 ` Kees Cook
2023-09-07 14:29 ` Chris Mason
2023-09-07 20:39 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-08 10:50 ` Brian Foster
2023-09-08 23:05 ` Dave Chinner
2023-09-08 10:59 ` Thank you! (was: Re: [GIT PULL] bcachefs) Martin Steigerwald
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-06-26 21:46 [GIT PULL] bcachefs Kent Overstreet
2023-06-26 23:11 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27 0:06 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27 1:13 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27 2:05 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27 2:59 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27 3:10 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27 17:16 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27 20:15 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27 22:05 ` Dave Chinner
2023-06-27 22:41 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 14:40 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 14:48 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2023-06-28 14:58 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 3:16 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 4:01 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 14:58 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 15:22 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 17:56 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 20:45 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 16:57 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 17:33 ` Christian Brauner
2023-06-28 17:52 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 20:44 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 21:17 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 22:13 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 22:33 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 22:55 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 23:14 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 23:50 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-29 1:00 ` Dave Chinner
2023-06-29 1:33 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-29 11:18 ` Christian Brauner
2023-06-29 14:17 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-29 15:31 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-30 9:40 ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-06 15:20 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 16:26 ` Jens Axboe
2023-07-06 16:34 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-29 1:29 ` Jens Axboe
2023-07-06 20:15 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 17:54 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 20:54 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 22:14 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 23:04 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 23:11 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27 2:33 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27 2:59 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27 3:19 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-06-27 3:22 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27 3:52 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-06-27 4:36 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 15:56 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 16:40 ` Josef Bacik
2023-07-06 17:38 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 19:17 ` Eric Sandeen
2023-07-06 19:31 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 21:19 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-07-06 22:43 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07 13:13 ` Jan Kara
2023-07-07 13:52 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07 8:48 ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-07 9:18 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07 16:26 ` James Bottomley
2023-07-07 16:48 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07 17:04 ` James Bottomley
2023-07-07 17:26 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-08 3:54 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-07-08 4:10 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-08 4:31 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-08 15:02 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-07-08 15:23 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-08 16:42 ` James Bottomley
2023-07-09 1:16 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07 9:35 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07 2:04 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-07-07 12:18 ` Brian Foster
2023-07-07 14:49 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-12 2:54 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-12 19:48 ` Kees Cook
2023-07-12 19:57 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-12 22:10 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-07-12 23:57 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-09 1:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-10 15:54 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-10 16:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-10 18:02 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-10 18:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-10 17:52 ` Jan Kara
2023-08-11 2:47 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11 8:10 ` Jan Kara
2023-08-11 8:13 ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-10 22:39 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-08-10 23:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-11 2:40 ` Jens Axboe
2023-08-11 4:03 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11 5:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-11 5:29 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11 5:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-11 7:52 ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-11 14:31 ` Jens Axboe
2023-08-11 3:45 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-21 0:09 ` Dave Chinner
2023-08-10 23:07 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-08-11 10:54 ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-11 12:58 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-14 7:25 ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-14 15:23 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11 13:21 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11 22:56 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-08-14 7:21 ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-14 15:27 ` Kent Overstreet
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