From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Matt Rickard <matt@softrans.com.au>,
Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
"K. Y. Srinivasan" <kys@microsoft.com>,
Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
devel@linuxdriverproject.org,
Linux Virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 09/11] x86/vdso: Simplify the invalid vclock case
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 16:36:45 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1809271630470.8118@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1809190112020.1468@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2018, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Sep 2018, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > On Sep 18, 2018, at 3:46 PM, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2018, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > >> Do we do better if we use signed arithmetic for the whole calculation?
> > >> Then a small backwards movement would result in a small backwards result.
> > >> Or we could offset everything so that we’d have to go back several
> > >> hundred ms before we cross zero.
> > >
> > > That would be probably the better solution as signed math would be
> > > problematic when the resulting ns value becomes negative. As the delta is
> > > really small, otherwise the TSC sync check would have caught it, the caller
> > > should never be able to observe time going backwards.
> > >
> > > I'll have a look into that. It needs some thought vs. the fractional part
> > > of the base time, but it should be not rocket science to get that
> > > correct. Famous last words...
> > >
> >
> > It’s also fiddly to tune. If you offset it too much, then the fancy
> > divide-by-repeated-subtraction loop will hurt more than the comparison to
> > last.
>
> Not really. It's sufficient to offset it by at max. 1000 cycles or so. That
> won't hurt the magic loop, but it will definitely cover that slight offset
> case.
I got it working, but first of all the gain is close to 0.
There is this other subtle issue that we've seen TSCs slowly drifting apart
which is caught by the TSC watchdog eventually, but if it exeeds the offset
_before_ the watchdog triggers, we're back to square one.
So I rather stay on the safe side and just accept that we have to deal with
that. Sigh.
Thanks,
tglx
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-09-27 14:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-09-14 12:50 [patch 00/11] x86/vdso: Cleanups, simmplifications and CLOCK_TAI support Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 01/11] clocksource: Provide clocksource_arch_init() Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 02/11] x86/time: Implement clocksource_arch_init() Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 15:45 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2018-09-15 6:05 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 03/11] x86/vdso: Enforce 64bit clocksource Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 04/11] x86/vdso: Use unsigned int consistently for vsyscall_gtod_data::seq Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 05/11] x86/vdso: Introduce and use vgtod_ts Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 06/11] x86/vdso: Collapse high resolution functions Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 07/11] x86/vdso: Collapse coarse functions Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 08/11] x86/vdso: Replace the clockid switch case Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 09/11] x86/vdso: Simplify the invalid vclock case Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-17 19:25 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-17 20:12 ` John Stultz
2018-09-18 7:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-18 8:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-18 8:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-18 10:06 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-18 10:41 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-18 12:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-18 13:23 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-18 13:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-18 15:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-27 14:41 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-18 14:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-18 22:46 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-18 23:03 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-18 23:16 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-27 14:36 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2018-09-27 14:39 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-19 9:08 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2018-09-19 13:29 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 10/11] x86/vdso: Move cycle_last handling into the caller Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 15:26 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2018-09-14 12:50 ` [patch 11/11] x66/vdso: Add CLOCK_TAI support Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 14:04 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-14 14:27 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 14:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-16 9:39 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 12:56 ` [patch 00/11] x86/vdso: Cleanups, simmplifications and " Florian Weimer
2018-09-14 13:05 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 13:06 ` Florian Weimer
2018-09-14 13:19 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-14 13:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-14 14:22 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-09-17 13:00 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-24 21:08 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-10-03 5:15 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-03 9:22 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2018-10-03 10:20 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-03 12:01 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2018-10-03 14:20 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-03 15:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-10-03 16:18 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-03 19:06 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2018-10-04 7:54 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2018-10-04 8:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-04 14:00 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-04 19:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-10-04 20:05 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-04 22:15 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-06 20:27 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2018-10-06 22:28 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-08 15:26 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2018-10-08 17:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-08 19:36 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2018-10-09 20:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-11 22:27 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2018-10-11 23:00 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-15 13:39 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2018-10-06 20:49 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2018-10-04 12:00 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-10-04 14:04 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-05 21:18 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2018-10-03 19:00 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2018-10-03 19:05 ` [patch 00/11] x86/vdso: Cleanups, simmplifications and CLOCK_TAI support\ Marcelo Tosatti
2018-10-03 22:32 ` [patch 00/11] x86/vdso: Cleanups, simmplifications and CLOCK_TAI support Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-04 16:37 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2018-10-04 17:08 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-10-04 17:28 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2018-10-04 20:32 ` Andy Lutomirski
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