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From: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	mhocko@kernel.org, ying.huang@intel.com, s.priebe@profihost.ag,
	mgorman@techsingularity.net,
	Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	alex.williamson@redhat.com, lkp@01.org, kirill@shutemov.name,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	zi.yan@cs.rutgers.edu, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [LKP] [mm] ac5b2c1891: vm-scalability.throughput -61.3% regression
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 12:36:09 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1812031226510.192288@chino.kir.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181203201214.GB3540@redhat.com>

On Mon, 3 Dec 2018, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:

> In my earlier review of David's patch, it looked runtime equivalent to
> the __GFP_COMPACT_ONLY solution. It has the only advantage of adding a
> new gfpflag until we're sure we need it but it's the worst solution
> available for the long term in my view. It'd be ok to apply it as
> stop-gap measure though.
> 
> The "order == pageblock_order" hardcoding inside the allocator to
> workaround the __GFP_THISNODE flag passed from outside the allocator
> in the THP MADV_HUGEPAGE case, didn't look very attractive because
> it's not just THP allocating order >0 pages.
> 

We have two different things to consider: NUMA locality and the order of 
the allocation.  THP is preferred locally and we know the order.  For the 
other high-order pages you're referring to, I don't know if they are using 
__GFP_THISNODE or not (likely not).  I see them as two separate issues.

For thp on all platforms I have measured it on specifically for this patch 
(Broadwell, Haswell, Rome) there is a clear advantage to faulting local 
pages of the native page size over remote hugepages.  It also has the 
added effect of allowing khugepaged to collapse it into a hugepage later 
if fragmentation allows (the reason why khugepaged cares about NUMA 
locality, the same reason I do).  This is the rationale for __GFP_THISNODE 
for thp allocations.

For order == pageblock_order (or more correctly order >= pageblock_order), 
this is not based on NUMA whatsoever but is rather based on the 
implementation of memory compaction.  If it has already failed (or was 
deferred for order-HPAGE_PMD_ORDER), reclaim cannot be shown to help if 
memory compaction cannot utilize the freed memory in isolate_freepages(), 
so that reclaim has been pointless.  If compaction fails for other reasons 
(any unmovable page preventing a pageblock from becoming free), *all* 
reclaim activity has been pointless.  

> It'd be nicer if whatever compaction latency optimization that applies
> to THP could also apply to all other allocation orders too and the
> hardcoding of the THP order prevents that.
> 
> On the same lines if __GFP_THISNODE is so badly needed by
> MADV_HUGEPAGE, all other larger order allocations should also be able
> to take advantage of __GFP_THISNODE without ending in the same VM
> corner cases that required the "order == pageblock_order" hardcoding
> inside the allocator.
> 
> If you prefer David's patch I would suggest pageblock_order to be
> replaced with HPAGE_PMD_ORDER so it's more likely to match the THP
> order in all archs.
> 

That sounds fine and I will do that in my v2.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-03 20:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-27  6:25 [LKP] [mm] ac5b2c1891: vm-scalability.throughput -61.3% regression kernel test robot
2018-11-27 17:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-27 18:17   ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-27 18:21     ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-27 19:05   ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-11-27 19:16     ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-11-27 20:57   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-11-27 22:50     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-28  6:30       ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-28  3:20     ` Huang, Ying
2018-11-28 16:48       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-11-28 18:39         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-11-28 23:10         ` David Rientjes
2018-12-03 18:01         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-03 18:14           ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-03 18:19             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-03 18:30               ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-03 18:45                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-03 18:59                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-03 19:23                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-12-03 20:26                       ` David Rientjes
2018-12-03 19:28                     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-03 20:12                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-12-03 20:36                         ` David Rientjes [this message]
2018-12-03 22:04                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-03 22:27                           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-03 22:57                             ` David Rientjes
2018-12-04  9:22                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-12-04 10:45                               ` Mel Gorman
2018-12-05  0:47                                 ` David Rientjes
2018-12-05  9:08                                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-05 10:43                                     ` Mel Gorman
2018-12-05 11:43                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-05 10:06                                 ` Mel Gorman
2018-12-05 20:40                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-12-05 21:59                                   ` David Rientjes
2018-12-06  0:00                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-12-05 22:03                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-05 22:12                                     ` David Rientjes
2018-12-05 23:36                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-12-05 23:51                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-06  0:58                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-06  9:14                                           ` MADV_HUGEPAGE vs. NUMA semantic (was: Re: [LKP] [mm] ac5b2c1891: vm-scalability.throughput -61.3% regression) Michal Hocko
2018-12-06 23:49                                             ` David Rientjes
2018-12-07  7:34                                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-07  4:31                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-07  7:49                                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-07  9:06                                                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-12-07 23:15                                                   ` David Rientjes
2018-12-06 23:43                                           ` [LKP] [mm] ac5b2c1891: vm-scalability.throughput -61.3% regression David Rientjes
2018-12-07  4:01                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-12-10  0:29                                               ` David Rientjes
2018-12-10  4:49                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-12-12  0:37                                                   ` David Rientjes
2018-12-12  9:50                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-12 17:00                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-12-14 11:32                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-12 10:14                                                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-12-14 21:04                                                       ` David Rientjes
2018-12-14 21:33                                                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-12-21 22:18                                                           ` David Rientjes
2018-12-22 12:08                                                             ` Mel Gorman
2018-12-14 23:11                                                         ` Mel Gorman
2018-12-21 22:15                                                           ` David Rientjes
2018-12-12 10:44                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2019-04-15 11:48                                             ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-06  0:18                                       ` David Rientjes
2018-12-06  0:54                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-12-06  9:23                                           ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-12-03 20:39                     ` David Rientjes
2018-12-03 21:25                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-03 21:53                         ` David Rientjes
2018-12-04  8:48                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-05  0:07                             ` David Rientjes
2018-12-05 10:18                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-12-05 19:16                                 ` David Rientjes
2018-11-27  7:23 kernel test robot

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