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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] core kernel fixes
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:37:01 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.01.0906211031230.3119@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0906211553150.2784@localhost.localdomain>



On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> 
> Hmm. The main reason why we switched to get_user_pages_fast() in the
> futex code is to avoid mmap_sem contention which was observed as a
> real big performance problem especially with those horrible JavaVM
> applications.

Not relevant.

get_user_pages_fast() takes the mmap_sem for the case where it needs to 
fault things in too.

So assuming the _only_ reason this thing is called is because we failed 
earlier when doing the futex_atomic_op_inuser(), then you're basically 
guaranteed that the "fast" case of get_user_pages_fast() is never actually 
taken, since we already know that the page tables aren't amenable to an 
atomic access.

And as far as I can tell, that is indeed the only case where you use that 
'get_user_writeable()' thing. You've had futex_atomic_op_inuser() fail, 
and need to repeat. No?

> As a fallout of this we got rid of the private find_vma /
> handle_mm_fault magic (as above) in the futex code which mm folks
> frowned upon for quite a while. Unfortunately we got it wrong :(

Sure. But "get_user_pages_fast()" really is the wrong thing. You're not at 
all interested in the user pages. You're interested in making sure that 
the page is atomically writable, and nothing else. Right?

Which is why I said that "lock ; addl $0,(mem)" would be a _single_ 
instruction, and do everything that your "get_user_pages_fast()" hack 
would do. If the fault is unlikely, that would be a better operation. I 
just don't think the fault is unlikely, I suspect it happens every time.

			Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-21 17:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-20 17:30 [GIT PULL] core kernel fixes Ingo Molnar
2009-06-20 18:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-20 19:01   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-20 20:27     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-21 17:12     ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-06-21 17:37       ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2009-06-21 17:57         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-21 19:26           ` Thomas Gleixner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-01-29 11:53 Ingo Molnar
2020-01-29 19:10 ` pr-tracker-bot
2019-05-18  8:51 Ingo Molnar
2019-05-19 17:45 ` pr-tracker-bot
2019-05-16 15:51 Ingo Molnar
2019-05-16 18:20 ` pr-tracker-bot
2018-07-21 11:58 Ingo Molnar
2017-12-06 22:01 Ingo Molnar
2017-11-05 14:33 Ingo Molnar
2017-11-05 18:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-05 19:53   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-11-05 20:12     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-11-05 21:01       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-21 10:01 Ingo Molnar
2016-10-18 10:14 Ingo Molnar
2016-07-13 10:55 Ingo Molnar
2016-04-03 10:45 Ingo Molnar
2015-02-06 18:28 Ingo Molnar
2012-10-23 10:57 Ingo Molnar
2012-08-03 16:31 Ingo Molnar
2012-08-03 16:55 ` Darren Hart
2012-08-03 17:01   ` Ingo Molnar
2012-08-03 17:24     ` Darren Hart
2012-06-15 18:45 Ingo Molnar
2012-01-26 18:05 Ingo Molnar
2011-08-04 20:45 Ingo Molnar
2011-04-02 10:21 Ingo Molnar
2011-03-25 12:52 Ingo Molnar
2011-01-21  2:11 Ingo Molnar
2011-01-15 15:15 Ingo Molnar
2010-10-05 19:12 Ingo Molnar
2010-10-05 20:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-10-05 21:09   ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-10-05 21:45     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-10-05 22:05       ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-10-06  2:56         ` Eric Dumazet
2010-10-06  4:59           ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-10-06 18:20             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-06 21:27               ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-10-07  8:11                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-07 17:42                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-09-08 13:04 Ingo Molnar
2010-03-26 14:53 Ingo Molnar
2010-03-13 16:35 Ingo Molnar
2009-12-18 18:52 Ingo Molnar
2009-11-10 17:53 Ingo Molnar
2009-10-23 14:53 Ingo Molnar
2009-10-13 18:29 Ingo Molnar
2009-10-08 19:06 Ingo Molnar
2009-10-08 19:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-08 19:20   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-21 13:13 Ingo Molnar
2009-08-13 18:54 Ingo Molnar
2009-08-09 16:07 Ingo Molnar
2009-08-09 18:41 ` Darren Hart
2009-07-10 16:28 Ingo Molnar
2009-07-10 19:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-07-10 19:31   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-07-10 19:52     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-07-10 20:02       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-07-13 14:52   ` Joerg Roedel
2009-05-18 14:23 Ingo Molnar
2009-05-18 15:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-05-18 19:20   ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-19 20:52     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-05-19 21:45       ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-19 22:20     ` Darren Hart
2009-05-05  9:33 Ingo Molnar
2009-01-30 23:12 [git pull] " Ingo Molnar
2009-01-26 17:24 Ingo Molnar
2009-01-11 14:36 Ingo Molnar
2008-12-04 19:39 Ingo Molnar
2008-11-29 19:36 Ingo Molnar
2008-11-18 14:14 Ingo Molnar
2008-11-07 16:28 Ingo Molnar
2008-10-30 23:29 Ingo Molnar
2008-10-15 12:50 [git pull] core kernel updates for v2.6.28 Ingo Molnar
2008-10-16 22:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-10-17  6:23   ` [git pull] core kernel fixes Ingo Molnar
2008-08-28 11:44 Ingo Molnar
2008-08-18 18:35 Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24 15:13 Ingo Molnar
2008-06-30 15:32 Ingo Molnar
2008-06-30 17:02 ` Vegard Nossum
2008-06-30 18:20   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-06-30 18:43     ` Vegard Nossum
2008-06-30 19:46       ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-30 19:51         ` Vegard Nossum
2008-06-30 19:54           ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-23 19:45 Ingo Molnar
2008-06-19 15:16 Ingo Molnar

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