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From: Laura Abbott <labbott@redhat.com>
To: NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>, Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>,
	Mishi Choudhary <mishi@linux.com>
Subject: Re: Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 01:49:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c6bf1877-6e29-50ec-ffa8-314ab35ec9ce@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y3ar80ac.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name>

On 10/21/2018 02:20 PM, NeilBrown wrote:

<snip>

> I call on the community to consider what *does* need to be said, about
> conduct, to people outside the community and who have recently joined.
> What is the document that you would have liked to have read as you were
> starting out?  It is all too long ago for me to remember clearly, and so
> much has changed.
> 

I joined much more recently than many and what I would have wanted
then is an interesting question. I probably would _not_ have wanted
a code of conduct when I first started working in open source. I also
said things in my younger years I regret and probably wouldn't have
said if I was held to a higher standard of conduct. Younger me frequently
put up with behavior I wouldn't tolerate today. Younger me also
greatly benefited from the experience of other kernel developers
giving me firm feedback in a helpful way and saying no to bad approaches.
I don't believe I would have continued if I hadn't been given that
feedback in a useful way.

Today, I think the code of conduct is a very important addition to
the community. It's a stronger assertion that the kernel community
is committed to raising the bar for behavior. I have no concern about
patch review or quality dropping because most maintainers demonstrate
every day that they can give effective feedback. We're all going to
screw that up sometimes and the Code of Conduct reminds us to do our
best. Most issues that arise can be resolved with a private e-mail
going "you might want to rethink your wording there."

What the Code of Conduct also provides is confidence that more serious
community issues such as harassment not related to patch
review can be handled. It spells out certain behaviors that won't
be tolerated and explains how those problems will be dealt with.
Will those problems actually be handled appropriately when the time
comes? I can't actually say for sure, but the kernel community works
on trust so I guess I have to trust that it will. I really hope I never
have to report harassment but I'm glad there's a process in place.

Thanks,
Laura

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-10-24  8:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-20 13:49 [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:49 ` [PATCH 1/7] Code of conduct: Fix wording around maintainers enforcing the code of conduct Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50 ` [PATCH 2/7] Code of Conduct Interpretation: Add document explaining how the Code of Conduct is to be interpreted Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50 ` [PATCH 3/7] Code of Conduct Interpretation: Properly reference the TAB correctly Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50 ` [PATCH 4/7] Code of Conduct: Provide links between the two documents Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50 ` [PATCH 5/7] Code of Conduct Interpretation: Put in the proper URL for the committee Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 19:01   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-21  7:18     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Greg KH
2018-10-20 13:51 ` [PATCH 6/7] Code of Conduct: Change the contact email address Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 18:28   ` Alan Cox
2018-10-20 18:45     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Trond Myklebust
2018-10-20 19:14       ` jonsmirl
2018-10-21  8:27         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-21  9:23           ` Greg KH
2018-10-20 19:24     ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-20 20:07       ` Trond Myklebust
2018-10-21  0:13       ` Alan Cox
2018-10-21  6:19         ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-10-20 20:13     ` James Bottomley
2018-10-20 13:51 ` [PATCH 7/7] MAINTAINERS: Add an entry for the code of conduct Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-21 21:20 ` Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document NeilBrown
2018-10-21 22:26   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Josh Triplett
2018-10-21 23:37     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-23  1:44       ` NeilBrown
2018-10-22 20:26     ` NeilBrown
2018-10-22 22:46       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-23  1:31         ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23  6:26         ` Dan Carpenter
2018-10-23  6:40           ` Al Viro
2018-10-23  6:46             ` Dan Carpenter
2018-10-23  3:31       ` Al Viro
2018-10-23  4:25         ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23  4:52           ` Al Viro
2018-10-23  5:28             ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23  6:00               ` Al Viro
2018-10-23 20:45                 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23  8:11           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-23 14:22             ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-23 15:43               ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-23 17:51                 ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-23 21:14             ` NeilBrown
2018-10-24 12:16       ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-25 21:14         ` NeilBrown
2018-10-27  1:10           ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-28 21:48             ` NeilBrown
2018-11-01 16:45             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 21:11               ` Josh Triplett
2018-11-02 13:13                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 21:50               ` NeilBrown
2018-11-02 13:33                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-03  8:36                   ` NeilBrown
2018-11-03 17:37                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-03 21:06                       ` NeilBrown
2018-11-03 22:23                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-02 13:52                 ` James Bottomley
2018-11-03  9:19                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-11-04 10:35         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-21 22:33   ` Joe Perches
2018-10-21 22:37     ` Randy Dunlap
2018-10-22  9:09   ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-22 11:02   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " James Bottomley
2018-10-24  8:49   ` Laura Abbott [this message]
2018-10-25  7:56     ` The linux devs can rescind their license grant visionsofalice
2018-10-25  8:19       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-25 19:39         ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-10-25 20:47           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-25 21:41             ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-10-25 22:12               ` NeilBrown
2018-10-25 22:38                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-10-25 22:52                   ` NeilBrown
2018-11-04 10:47                 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-25 23:06               ` Al Viro
2018-10-26  2:28                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-10-26  5:49                   ` Al Viro
2018-10-27  6:52                 ` visionsofalice
2018-10-27  7:32                   ` Al Viro
2018-10-27 16:18                     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Tim.Bird
2018-10-27 22:09                       ` Jiri Kosina
     [not found]                         ` <CAK2MWOtNUTjWy5pTcGco5DNurqNCc=9CfDJ-Ko-K+6HDC55ikg@mail.gmail.com>
2018-10-27 23:07                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-10-27 23:40                           ` Al Viro
2018-10-28 21:13                         ` NeilBrown
2018-10-25 23:32             ` Iván Chavero
2018-10-26 13:15           ` Eben Moglen
2018-10-26 15:50             ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-10-26 15:53               ` Eben Moglen
2018-10-26 17:32             ` visionsofalice
2018-10-26 18:31               ` Eben Moglen
2018-10-27  7:12                 ` visionsofalice
2018-12-18 18:53                 ` The linux devs can rescind their license grant. - Analysis published? visionsofalice
2018-10-26 10:34         ` The linux devs can rescind their license grant visionsofalice
2018-10-29 22:31         ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2018-12-18 19:17           ` visionsofalice
2018-10-27  5:04       ` The linux devs can rescind their license grant. - Additional restrictive terms visionsofalice
2018-12-18 20:55       ` The CoC regime is a License violation " visionsofalice
2018-12-19  1:17       ` visionsofalice
2018-12-23 16:05       ` visionsofalice
2018-10-25 22:02     ` Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document NeilBrown
2018-10-25  8:06   ` Pavel Machek
2018-10-25 11:20   ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-25 22:18     ` NeilBrown
2018-10-26  8:33       ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-26 22:40         ` NeilBrown
2018-10-27 11:49           ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-21 23:36 ` Eric S. Raymond

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