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From: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>,
	Tolga Ceylan <tolga.ceylan@gmail.com>,
	Aaron Conole <aconole@bytheb.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Linux Kernel Network Developers <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] net: Add SO_REUSEPORT_LISTEN_OFF socket option as drain mode
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 09:10:24 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1450199424.8474.30.camel@edumazet-glaptop2.roam.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151215161456.GA3182@1wt.eu>

On Tue, 2015-12-15 at 17:14 +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> Hi Eric,
> 
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 05:09:01PM -0800, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > On Wed, 2015-11-11 at 10:43 -0800, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2015-11-11 at 10:23 -0800, Tom Herbert wrote:
> > > 
> > > > How about doing this in shutdown called for a listener?
> > > 
> > > Seems a good idea, I will try it, thanks !
> > > 
> > 
> > Arg, I forgot about this shutdown() discussion we had recently
> > with Oracle guys.
> > 
> > It is currently used in linux to unblock potential threads in accept()
> > system call.
> > 
> > This would prevent syn_recv sockets to be finally accepted.
> 
> I had a conversation with an haproxy user who's concerned with the
> connection drops during the reload operation and we stumbled upon
> this thread. I was considering improving shutdown() as well for this
> as haproxy already performs a shutdown(RD) during a "pause" operation
> (ie: workaround for kernels missing SO_REUSEPORT).
> 
> And I found that the code clearly doesn't make this possible since
> shutdown(RD) flushes the queue and stops the listening.
> 
> However I found what I consider an elegant solution which works
> pretty well : by simply adding a test in compute_score(), we can
> ensure that a previous socket ranks lower than the current ones,
> and is never considered as long as the new ones are present. Here I
> achieved this using setsockopt(SO_LINGER). The old process just has
> to do this with a non-zero value on the socket it wants to put into
> lingering mode and that's all.
> 
> I find this elegant since it keeps the same semantics as for a
> connected socket in that it avoids killing the queue, and that it
> doesn't change the behaviour for existing applications. It just
> turns out that listening sockets are set up without any lingering
> by default so we don't need to add any new socket options nor
> anything.
> 
> Please let me know what you think about it (patch attached), if
> it's accepted it's trivial to adapt haproxy to this new behaviour.

Well, problem is : some applications use LINGER on the listener,
you can not really hijack this flag.

Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-15 17:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-27  0:30 [PATCH 1/1] net: Add SO_REUSEPORT_LISTEN_OFF socket option as drain mode Tolga Ceylan
2015-09-27  1:04 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-09-27  1:37   ` Tolga Ceylan
2015-09-27  1:44 ` Aaron Conole
2015-09-27  2:02   ` Tolga Ceylan
2015-09-27  2:24     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-11  5:41       ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-11  6:19         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-11 17:05           ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-11 17:23             ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-11 18:23               ` Tom Herbert
2015-11-11 18:43                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-12  1:09                   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-15 16:14                     ` Willy Tarreau
2015-12-15 17:10                       ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2015-12-15 17:43                         ` Willy Tarreau
2015-12-15 18:21                           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-15 19:44                             ` Willy Tarreau
2015-12-15 21:21                               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-16  7:38                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-12-16 16:15                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2015-12-18 16:33                                     ` Josh Snyder
2015-12-18 18:58                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2015-12-19  2:38                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2015-12-19  7:00                                           ` Willy Tarreau
2015-12-21 20:38                                             ` Tom Herbert
2015-12-21 20:41                                               ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-24  5:10                                                 ` Tolga Ceylan
2016-03-24  6:12                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-24 14:13                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-24 14:22                                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-24 14:45                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-24 15:30                                                           ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-24 16:33                                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-24 16:50                                                               ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-24 17:01                                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-24 17:26                                                                   ` Tom Herbert
2016-03-24 17:55                                                                     ` Daniel Borkmann
2016-03-24 18:20                                                                       ` Tolga Ceylan
2016-03-24 18:24                                                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-24 18:37                                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-24 22:40                                                                       ` Yann Ylavic
2016-03-24 22:49                                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-24 23:40                                                                           ` Yann Ylavic
2016-03-24 23:54                                                                             ` Tom Herbert
2016-03-25  0:01                                                                               ` Yann Ylavic
2016-03-25  5:28                                                                               ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-25  6:49                                                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-25  8:53                                                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-25 11:21                                                                                     ` Yann Ylavic
2016-03-25 13:17                                                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-25  0:25                                                                           ` David Miller
2016-03-25  0:24                                                                         ` David Miller
2016-03-24 18:00                                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-24 18:21                                                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-24 18:32                                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-25 15:29 Craig Gallek
2016-03-25 16:21 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-03-25 16:31   ` Craig Gallek
2016-03-25 17:00     ` Eric Dumazet
2016-03-25 18:31       ` Willem de Bruijn

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