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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	jarkao2@gmail.com, Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net, kaber@trash.net,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Kernel WARNING: at net/core/dev.c:1330 __netif_schedule+0x2c/0x98()
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:38:35 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200807242038.36693.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1216894136.7257.266.camel@twins>

On Thursday 24 July 2008 20:08, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 02:32 -0700, David Miller wrote:
> > From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
> > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:27:05 +0200
> >
> > > Well, not only lockdep, taking a very large number of locks is
> > > expensive as well.
> >
> > Right now it would be on the order of 16 or 32 for
> > real hardware.
> >
> > Much less than the scheduler currently takes on some
> > of my systems, so currently you are the pot calling the
> > kettle black. :-)
>
> One nit, and then I'll let this issue rest :-)
>
> The scheduler has a long lock dependancy chain (nr_cpu_ids rq locks),
> but it never takes all of them at the same time. Any one code path will
> at most hold two rq locks.

Aside from lockdep, is there a particular problem with taking 64k locks
at once? (in a very slow path, of course) I don't think it causes a
problem with preempt_count, does it cause issues with -rt kernel?

Hey, something kind of cool (and OT) I've just thought of that we can
do with ticket locks is to take tickets for 2 (or 64K) nested locks,
and then wait for them both (all), so the cost is N*lock + longest spin,
rather than N*lock + N*avg spin.

That would mean even at the worst case of a huge amount of contention
on all 64K locks, it should only take a couple of ms to take all of
them (assuming max spin time isn't ridiculous).

Probably not the kind of feature we want to expose widely, but for
really special things like the scheduler, it might be a neat hack to
save a few cycles ;) Traditional implementations would just have
#define spin_lock_async	      spin_lock
#define spin_lock_async_wait  do {} while (0)

Sorry it's offtopic, but if I didn't post it, I'd forget to. Might be
a fun quick hack for someone.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-24 10:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 204+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-20 17:44 [GIT]: Networking David Miller
2008-07-20 17:59 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-20 23:52   ` David Miller
2008-07-21 20:32   ` David Miller
2008-07-21  0:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-21  1:03   ` David Miller
2008-07-21  1:09     ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-07-21  1:14       ` David Miller
2008-07-21  1:22         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-07-21  2:40         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-07-21  2:48           ` David Miller
2008-07-21  5:11             ` David Miller
2008-07-21  9:48               ` Alexander Beregalov
2008-07-21 10:16                 ` Ben Hutchings
2008-07-21 15:35                   ` David Miller
2008-07-21 16:04                     ` Alexander Beregalov
2008-07-21 11:57               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-07-21 15:27                 ` David Miller
2008-07-21 16:49               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-21 16:53                 ` David Miller
2008-07-21  1:20     ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-21 11:28       ` Stefan Richter
2008-07-21 11:45       ` James Morris
2008-07-21 12:05         ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-21 17:28           ` David Miller
2008-07-21 17:40             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-21 20:33               ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-23 23:42                 ` David Miller
2008-07-21  1:07   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-21  1:17     ` David Miller
2008-07-21  8:36 ` iwlwifi: fix build bug in "iwlwifi: fix LED stall" Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 10:02   ` Winkler, Tomas
2008-07-21 10:53     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 12:12   ` [PATCH] iwlwifi: RS small compile warnings without CONFIG_IWLWIFI_DEBUG Tomas Winkler
2008-07-21 12:12     ` [PATCH] iwlwifi: " Tomas Winkler
2008-07-21 12:12       ` [PATCH] iwlwifi: compilation error when CONFIG_IWLWIFI_DEBUG is not set Tomas Winkler
2008-07-21 13:30 ` [crash, bisected] Kernel BUG at ffffffff8079afb1 (__netif_schedule()) Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 13:45   ` [crash] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000370 Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 14:30     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 15:04       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 15:24         ` David Miller
2008-07-21 18:18           ` Ian Schram
2008-07-21 19:06             ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]               ` <20080721190646.GA19044-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 19:13                 ` Larry Finger
     [not found]                   ` <4884DFEE.4060003-tQ5ms3gMjBLk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 19:34                     ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                       ` <20080721193425.GA29287-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 19:43                         ` Larry Finger
     [not found]                           ` <4884E6E6.7010800-tQ5ms3gMjBLk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 19:47                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-21 20:15                               ` David Miller
     [not found]                               ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0807211246280.31863-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 20:28                                 ` Larry Finger
2008-07-21 20:21                             ` David Miller
     [not found]                               ` <20080721.132100.128525904.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 20:38                                 ` Larry Finger
2008-07-21 20:46                                   ` David Miller
2008-07-21 20:51                                     ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-21 21:01                                       ` David Miller
2008-07-21 21:06                                         ` Patrick McHardy
     [not found]                                           ` <4884FA3F.70109-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 21:35                                             ` Patrick McHardy
     [not found]                                               ` <48850121.9090106-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 21:42                                                 ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-21 21:51                                                 ` Larry Finger
     [not found]                                                   ` <488504D9.5090100-tQ5ms3gMjBLk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 22:04                                                     ` Patrick McHardy
     [not found]                                                       ` <488507FB.9050101-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 22:40                                                         ` Larry Finger
     [not found]                                                           ` <4885104A.2070201-tQ5ms3gMjBLk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 23:15                                                             ` David Miller
2008-07-22  6:34                                                               ` Larry Finger
     [not found]                                                                 ` <48857F74.2040406-tQ5ms3gMjBLk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-22 10:51                                                                   ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-22 11:32                                                                 ` David Miller
2008-07-22 12:52                                                                   ` Larry Finger
2008-07-22 20:43                                                                     ` David Miller
2008-07-22 13:02                                                                   ` Larry Finger
     [not found]                                                                     ` <4885DA49.50703-tQ5ms3gMjBLk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-22 14:53                                                                       ` Patrick McHardy
     [not found]                                                                         ` <4885F46A.30309-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-22 21:17                                                                           ` David Miller
2008-07-22 16:39                                                                       ` Kernel WARNING: at net/core/dev.c:1330 __netif_schedule+0x2c/0x98() Larry Finger
     [not found]                                                                         ` <48860D4B.8070003-tQ5ms3gMjBLk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-22 17:20                                                                           ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-22 18:39                                                                             ` Larry Finger
2008-07-22 18:44                                                                               ` Patrick McHardy
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <48862A76.8030307-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-22 19:30                                                                                   ` Larry Finger
2008-07-22 23:04                                                                               ` David Miller
2008-07-23  6:20                                                                                 ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-23  7:59                                                                                   ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <20080723.005921.113868915.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-23  8:54                                                                                       ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <20080723085452.GB4561-8HppEYmqbBCE+EvaaNYduQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-23  9:03                                                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-23  9:35                                                                                             ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                               ` <20080723093459.GC4561-8HppEYmqbBCE+EvaaNYduQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-23  9:50                                                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-23 10:13                                                                                                   ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-23 10:58                                                                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-23 11:35                                                                                                       ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                                         ` <20080723113519.GE4561-8HppEYmqbBCE+EvaaNYduQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-23 11:49                                                                                                           ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-23 20:16                                                                                                             ` David Miller
2008-07-23 20:43                                                                                                               ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                                                 ` <20080723204335.GA14788-dUp/P3zyUuaNj9Bq2fkWzw@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-23 20:55                                                                                                                   ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                                               ` <20080723.131607.79681752.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-24  9:10                                                                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-24  9:20                                                                                                                   ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                                                     ` <20080724.022040.23129457.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-24  9:27                                                                                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-24  9:32                                                                                                                         ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                                                           ` <20080724.023210.229338550.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-24 10:08                                                                                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-24 10:38                                                                                                                               ` Nick Piggin [this message]
     [not found]                                                                                                                                 ` <200807242038.36693.nickpiggin-/E1597aS9LT0CCvOHzKKcA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-24 10:55                                                                                                                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]                                                                                                                                     ` <E1KLyUI-0006ZS-Cg-8f8m9JG5TPIdUIPVzhDTVZP2KDSNp7ea@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-24 11:06                                                                                                                                       ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]                                                                                                                                         ` <200807242106.52672.nickpiggin-/E1597aS9LT0CCvOHzKKcA@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-01 21:10                                                                                                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-07-24 10:59                                                                                                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-01 21:10                                                                                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-07-23 20:14                                                                                                       ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                                         ` <20080723.131441.200166513.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-24  7:00                                                                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-25 17:04                                                                                                         ` Ingo Oeser
     [not found]                                                                                                           ` <200807251904.37302.netdev-BkyiQQGWkgE@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-25 18:36                                                                                                             ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-25 19:16                                                                                                               ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]                                                                                                                 ` <1217013384.4758.5.camel-YfaajirXv214zXjbi5bjpg@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-25 19:34                                                                                                                   ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-25 19:36                                                                                                                     ` Johannes Berg
2008-07-25 20:01                                                                                                                       ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                                                         ` <20080725200137.GC3107-dUp/P3zyUuaNj9Bq2fkWzw@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-26  9:18                                                                                                                           ` David Miller
2008-07-26 10:53                                                                                                                             ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                                                             ` <20080726.021846.236624483.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-26 13:18                                                                                                                               ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                                                                 ` <20080726131838.GA2873-dUp/P3zyUuaNj9Bq2fkWzw@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-27  0:34                                                                                                                                   ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                                                                     ` <20080726.173434.48036095.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-27 20:37                                                                                                                                       ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                                                                         ` <20080727203757.GA2527-dUp/P3zyUuaNj9Bq2fkWzw@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-31 12:29                                                                                                                                           ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                                                                             ` <20080731.052932.110299354.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-31 12:38                                                                                                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-31 12:44                                                                                                                                                 ` David Miller
2008-08-01  4:27                                                                                                                                             ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                                                                               ` <20080731.212729.138736823.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-01  7:09                                                                                                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-01  6:48                                                                                                                                             ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                                                                               ` <20080801064810.GA4435-8HppEYmqbBCE+EvaaNYduQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-01  7:00                                                                                                                                                 ` David Miller
2008-08-01  7:01                                                                                                                                               ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                                                                                 ` <20080801070150.GB4435-8HppEYmqbBCE+EvaaNYduQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-01  7:01                                                                                                                                                   ` David Miller
2008-08-01  7:41                                                                                                                                                     ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-25  6:20                                     ` [lockdep warning] AOE / networking: aoenet_xmit: noop_qdisc.q.lock, INFO: inconsistent lock state at 0000000000000370 Ingo Molnar
2008-07-25  6:25                                       ` David Miller
2008-07-25  7:26                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-25  8:23                                           ` David Miller
     [not found]       ` <20080721143023.GA32451-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 15:10         ` [crash] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference " David Miller
2008-07-21 18:23     ` [crash] kernel BUG at net/core/dev.c:1328! Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 18:35       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-21 18:46         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 19:30           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-22 11:21           ` [TCP bug] stuck distcc connections in latest -git Ingo Molnar
2008-07-22 13:45             ` David Newall
2008-07-22 13:57               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-22 14:54                 ` David Newall
2008-07-22 15:34                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-22 21:12                     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-23  8:26                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24  6:04                         ` [TCP bug, regression] " Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24  6:32                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24  7:33                             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-24  8:35                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24  7:53                             ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-24  8:24                               ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-24  8:27                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24  8:36                                 ` David Miller
2008-07-24  9:05                           ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-24  9:22                             ` David Miller
2008-07-24  9:34                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24 11:56                                 ` [regression] nf_iterate(), BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24 11:59                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24 12:03                                     ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-24 12:22                                       ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-24 12:40                                         ` Pekka Enberg
2008-07-24 12:50                                           ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-24 12:56                                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-24 13:04                                               ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-24 13:13                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-24 13:32                                                   ` Pekka Enberg
2008-07-24 19:21                                                     ` Matt Mackall
2008-07-25  9:09                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-24 13:11                                             ` Matt Mackall
2008-07-24 14:37                                               ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-24 17:47                                                 ` Matt Mackall
2008-07-25  1:39                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-25  2:59                                                     ` Matt Mackall
2008-07-24 12:44                                       ` Pekka Enberg
2008-07-24 12:49                                         ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-24 13:23                                           ` Pekka Enberg
2008-07-24 13:31                                             ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-24 13:34                                               ` Pekka Enberg
2008-07-24 18:51                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-07-24 18:55                                                   ` Pekka Enberg
2008-07-24 20:58                                                     ` David Miller
2008-07-25  8:02                                                     ` Dieter Ries
2008-07-25 10:41                                                       ` Pekka Enberg
2008-07-24 19:35                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-26 16:09                                                     ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-26 17:34                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-26 13:43                                                   ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-24 21:13                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-24 22:09                                             ` David Miller
2008-07-26 13:47                                             ` Patrick McHardy
2008-08-01 21:10                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-07-24 14:23                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24 15:23                                       ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-24 15:32                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24 15:34                                           ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-24 18:00                                           ` Krzysztof Oledzki
2008-07-24 13:01                               ` [TCP bug, regression] stuck distcc connections in latest -git Willy Tarreau
2008-07-24  9:25                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24  9:29                               ` David Miller
2008-07-24 11:12                               ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-24  9:36                             ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-07-24 10:03                               ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-07-21 19:00         ` [crash] kernel BUG at net/core/dev.c:1328! David Miller
2008-07-21 19:20           ` Stefan Richter
2008-07-21 20:11             ` David Miller
2008-07-21 21:26               ` Stefan Richter
2008-07-21 19:44           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 20:20             ` David Miller
2008-07-21 15:07   ` [crash, bisected] Kernel BUG at ffffffff8079afb1 (__netif_schedule()) David Miller
2008-07-21 13:50 ` [GIT]: Networking Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 14:15   ` Stefan Richter

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