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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	jarkao2@gmail.com, Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net, kaber@trash.net,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Kernel WARNING: at net/core/dev.c:1330 __netif_schedule+0x2c/0x98()
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:10:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080801211040.GV14851@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200807242038.36693.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 08:38:35PM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Thursday 24 July 2008 20:08, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 02:32 -0700, David Miller wrote:
> > > From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
> > > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:27:05 +0200
> > >
> > > > Well, not only lockdep, taking a very large number of locks is
> > > > expensive as well.
> > >
> > > Right now it would be on the order of 16 or 32 for
> > > real hardware.
> > >
> > > Much less than the scheduler currently takes on some
> > > of my systems, so currently you are the pot calling the
> > > kettle black. :-)
> >
> > One nit, and then I'll let this issue rest :-)
> >
> > The scheduler has a long lock dependancy chain (nr_cpu_ids rq locks),
> > but it never takes all of them at the same time. Any one code path will
> > at most hold two rq locks.
> 
> Aside from lockdep, is there a particular problem with taking 64k locks
> at once? (in a very slow path, of course) I don't think it causes a
> problem with preempt_count, does it cause issues with -rt kernel?
> 
> Hey, something kind of cool (and OT) I've just thought of that we can
> do with ticket locks is to take tickets for 2 (or 64K) nested locks,
> and then wait for them both (all), so the cost is N*lock + longest spin,
> rather than N*lock + N*avg spin.
> 
> That would mean even at the worst case of a huge amount of contention
> on all 64K locks, it should only take a couple of ms to take all of
> them (assuming max spin time isn't ridiculous).
> 
> Probably not the kind of feature we want to expose widely, but for
> really special things like the scheduler, it might be a neat hack to
> save a few cycles ;) Traditional implementations would just have
> #define spin_lock_async	      spin_lock
> #define spin_lock_async_wait  do {} while (0)
> 
> Sorry it's offtopic, but if I didn't post it, I'd forget to. Might be
> a fun quick hack for someone.

FWIW, I did something similar in a previous life for the write-side of
a brlock-like locking mechanism.  This was especially helpful if the
read-side critical sections were long.

							Thanx, Paul

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-08-01 21:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 204+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-20 17:44 [GIT]: Networking David Miller
2008-07-20 17:59 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-20 23:52   ` David Miller
2008-07-21 20:32   ` David Miller
2008-07-21  0:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-21  1:03   ` David Miller
2008-07-21  1:09     ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-07-21  1:14       ` David Miller
2008-07-21  1:22         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-07-21  2:40         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-07-21  2:48           ` David Miller
2008-07-21  5:11             ` David Miller
2008-07-21  9:48               ` Alexander Beregalov
2008-07-21 10:16                 ` Ben Hutchings
2008-07-21 15:35                   ` David Miller
2008-07-21 16:04                     ` Alexander Beregalov
2008-07-21 11:57               ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-07-21 15:27                 ` David Miller
2008-07-21 16:49               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-21 16:53                 ` David Miller
2008-07-21  1:20     ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-21 11:28       ` Stefan Richter
2008-07-21 11:45       ` James Morris
2008-07-21 12:05         ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-21 17:28           ` David Miller
2008-07-21 17:40             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-21 20:33               ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-23 23:42                 ` David Miller
2008-07-21  1:07   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-21  1:17     ` David Miller
2008-07-21  8:36 ` iwlwifi: fix build bug in "iwlwifi: fix LED stall" Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 10:02   ` Winkler, Tomas
2008-07-21 10:53     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 12:12   ` [PATCH] iwlwifi: RS small compile warnings without CONFIG_IWLWIFI_DEBUG Tomas Winkler
2008-07-21 12:12     ` [PATCH] iwlwifi: " Tomas Winkler
2008-07-21 12:12       ` [PATCH] iwlwifi: compilation error when CONFIG_IWLWIFI_DEBUG is not set Tomas Winkler
2008-07-21 13:30 ` [crash, bisected] Kernel BUG at ffffffff8079afb1 (__netif_schedule()) Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 13:45   ` [crash] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000370 Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 14:30     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 15:04       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 15:24         ` David Miller
2008-07-21 18:18           ` Ian Schram
2008-07-21 19:06             ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]               ` <20080721190646.GA19044-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 19:13                 ` Larry Finger
     [not found]                   ` <4884DFEE.4060003-tQ5ms3gMjBLk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 19:34                     ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                       ` <20080721193425.GA29287-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 19:43                         ` Larry Finger
     [not found]                           ` <4884E6E6.7010800-tQ5ms3gMjBLk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 19:47                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-21 20:15                               ` David Miller
     [not found]                               ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0807211246280.31863-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 20:28                                 ` Larry Finger
2008-07-21 20:21                             ` David Miller
     [not found]                               ` <20080721.132100.128525904.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 20:38                                 ` Larry Finger
2008-07-21 20:46                                   ` David Miller
2008-07-21 20:51                                     ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-21 21:01                                       ` David Miller
2008-07-21 21:06                                         ` Patrick McHardy
     [not found]                                           ` <4884FA3F.70109-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 21:35                                             ` Patrick McHardy
     [not found]                                               ` <48850121.9090106-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 21:42                                                 ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-21 21:51                                                 ` Larry Finger
     [not found]                                                   ` <488504D9.5090100-tQ5ms3gMjBLk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 22:04                                                     ` Patrick McHardy
     [not found]                                                       ` <488507FB.9050101-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 22:40                                                         ` Larry Finger
     [not found]                                                           ` <4885104A.2070201-tQ5ms3gMjBLk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 23:15                                                             ` David Miller
2008-07-22  6:34                                                               ` Larry Finger
     [not found]                                                                 ` <48857F74.2040406-tQ5ms3gMjBLk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-22 10:51                                                                   ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-22 11:32                                                                 ` David Miller
2008-07-22 12:52                                                                   ` Larry Finger
2008-07-22 20:43                                                                     ` David Miller
2008-07-22 13:02                                                                   ` Larry Finger
     [not found]                                                                     ` <4885DA49.50703-tQ5ms3gMjBLk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-22 14:53                                                                       ` Patrick McHardy
     [not found]                                                                         ` <4885F46A.30309-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-22 21:17                                                                           ` David Miller
2008-07-22 16:39                                                                       ` Kernel WARNING: at net/core/dev.c:1330 __netif_schedule+0x2c/0x98() Larry Finger
     [not found]                                                                         ` <48860D4B.8070003-tQ5ms3gMjBLk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-22 17:20                                                                           ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-22 18:39                                                                             ` Larry Finger
2008-07-22 18:44                                                                               ` Patrick McHardy
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <48862A76.8030307-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-22 19:30                                                                                   ` Larry Finger
2008-07-22 23:04                                                                               ` David Miller
2008-07-23  6:20                                                                                 ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-23  7:59                                                                                   ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <20080723.005921.113868915.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-23  8:54                                                                                       ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <20080723085452.GB4561-8HppEYmqbBCE+EvaaNYduQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-23  9:03                                                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-23  9:35                                                                                             ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                               ` <20080723093459.GC4561-8HppEYmqbBCE+EvaaNYduQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-23  9:50                                                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-23 10:13                                                                                                   ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-23 10:58                                                                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-23 11:35                                                                                                       ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                                         ` <20080723113519.GE4561-8HppEYmqbBCE+EvaaNYduQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-23 11:49                                                                                                           ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-23 20:16                                                                                                             ` David Miller
2008-07-23 20:43                                                                                                               ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                                                 ` <20080723204335.GA14788-dUp/P3zyUuaNj9Bq2fkWzw@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-23 20:55                                                                                                                   ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                                               ` <20080723.131607.79681752.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-24  9:10                                                                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-24  9:20                                                                                                                   ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                                                     ` <20080724.022040.23129457.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-24  9:27                                                                                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-24  9:32                                                                                                                         ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                                                           ` <20080724.023210.229338550.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-24 10:08                                                                                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-24 10:38                                                                                                                               ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]                                                                                                                                 ` <200807242038.36693.nickpiggin-/E1597aS9LT0CCvOHzKKcA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-24 10:55                                                                                                                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]                                                                                                                                     ` <E1KLyUI-0006ZS-Cg-8f8m9JG5TPIdUIPVzhDTVZP2KDSNp7ea@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-24 11:06                                                                                                                                       ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]                                                                                                                                         ` <200807242106.52672.nickpiggin-/E1597aS9LT0CCvOHzKKcA@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-01 21:10                                                                                                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-07-24 10:59                                                                                                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-01 21:10                                                                                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2008-07-23 20:14                                                                                                       ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                                         ` <20080723.131441.200166513.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-24  7:00                                                                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-25 17:04                                                                                                         ` Ingo Oeser
     [not found]                                                                                                           ` <200807251904.37302.netdev-BkyiQQGWkgE@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-25 18:36                                                                                                             ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-25 19:16                                                                                                               ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]                                                                                                                 ` <1217013384.4758.5.camel-YfaajirXv214zXjbi5bjpg@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-25 19:34                                                                                                                   ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-25 19:36                                                                                                                     ` Johannes Berg
2008-07-25 20:01                                                                                                                       ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                                                         ` <20080725200137.GC3107-dUp/P3zyUuaNj9Bq2fkWzw@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-26  9:18                                                                                                                           ` David Miller
2008-07-26 10:53                                                                                                                             ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                                                             ` <20080726.021846.236624483.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-26 13:18                                                                                                                               ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                                                                 ` <20080726131838.GA2873-dUp/P3zyUuaNj9Bq2fkWzw@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-27  0:34                                                                                                                                   ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                                                                     ` <20080726.173434.48036095.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-27 20:37                                                                                                                                       ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                                                                         ` <20080727203757.GA2527-dUp/P3zyUuaNj9Bq2fkWzw@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-31 12:29                                                                                                                                           ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                                                                             ` <20080731.052932.110299354.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-31 12:38                                                                                                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-31 12:44                                                                                                                                                 ` David Miller
2008-08-01  4:27                                                                                                                                             ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                                                                               ` <20080731.212729.138736823.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-01  7:09                                                                                                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-01  6:48                                                                                                                                             ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                                                                               ` <20080801064810.GA4435-8HppEYmqbBCE+EvaaNYduQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-01  7:00                                                                                                                                                 ` David Miller
2008-08-01  7:01                                                                                                                                               ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                                                                                                                                 ` <20080801070150.GB4435-8HppEYmqbBCE+EvaaNYduQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-01  7:01                                                                                                                                                   ` David Miller
2008-08-01  7:41                                                                                                                                                     ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-07-25  6:20                                     ` [lockdep warning] AOE / networking: aoenet_xmit: noop_qdisc.q.lock, INFO: inconsistent lock state at 0000000000000370 Ingo Molnar
2008-07-25  6:25                                       ` David Miller
2008-07-25  7:26                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-25  8:23                                           ` David Miller
     [not found]       ` <20080721143023.GA32451-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 15:10         ` [crash] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference " David Miller
2008-07-21 18:23     ` [crash] kernel BUG at net/core/dev.c:1328! Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 18:35       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-21 18:46         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 19:30           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-22 11:21           ` [TCP bug] stuck distcc connections in latest -git Ingo Molnar
2008-07-22 13:45             ` David Newall
2008-07-22 13:57               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-22 14:54                 ` David Newall
2008-07-22 15:34                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-22 21:12                     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-23  8:26                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24  6:04                         ` [TCP bug, regression] " Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24  6:32                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24  7:33                             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-24  8:35                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24  7:53                             ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-24  8:24                               ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-24  8:27                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24  8:36                                 ` David Miller
2008-07-24  9:05                           ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-24  9:22                             ` David Miller
2008-07-24  9:34                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24 11:56                                 ` [regression] nf_iterate(), BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24 11:59                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24 12:03                                     ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-24 12:22                                       ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-24 12:40                                         ` Pekka Enberg
2008-07-24 12:50                                           ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-24 12:56                                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-24 13:04                                               ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-24 13:13                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-24 13:32                                                   ` Pekka Enberg
2008-07-24 19:21                                                     ` Matt Mackall
2008-07-25  9:09                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-24 13:11                                             ` Matt Mackall
2008-07-24 14:37                                               ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-24 17:47                                                 ` Matt Mackall
2008-07-25  1:39                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-25  2:59                                                     ` Matt Mackall
2008-07-24 12:44                                       ` Pekka Enberg
2008-07-24 12:49                                         ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-24 13:23                                           ` Pekka Enberg
2008-07-24 13:31                                             ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-24 13:34                                               ` Pekka Enberg
2008-07-24 18:51                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-07-24 18:55                                                   ` Pekka Enberg
2008-07-24 20:58                                                     ` David Miller
2008-07-25  8:02                                                     ` Dieter Ries
2008-07-25 10:41                                                       ` Pekka Enberg
2008-07-24 19:35                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-26 16:09                                                     ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-26 17:34                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-26 13:43                                                   ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-24 21:13                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-24 22:09                                             ` David Miller
2008-07-26 13:47                                             ` Patrick McHardy
2008-08-01 21:10                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-07-24 14:23                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24 15:23                                       ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-24 15:32                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24 15:34                                           ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-24 18:00                                           ` Krzysztof Oledzki
2008-07-24 13:01                               ` [TCP bug, regression] stuck distcc connections in latest -git Willy Tarreau
2008-07-24  9:25                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-24  9:29                               ` David Miller
2008-07-24 11:12                               ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-24  9:36                             ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-07-24 10:03                               ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-07-21 19:00         ` [crash] kernel BUG at net/core/dev.c:1328! David Miller
2008-07-21 19:20           ` Stefan Richter
2008-07-21 20:11             ` David Miller
2008-07-21 21:26               ` Stefan Richter
2008-07-21 19:44           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 20:20             ` David Miller
2008-07-21 15:07   ` [crash, bisected] Kernel BUG at ffffffff8079afb1 (__netif_schedule()) David Miller
2008-07-21 13:50 ` [GIT]: Networking Ingo Molnar
2008-07-21 14:15   ` Stefan Richter

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