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From: Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>
To: Amery Hung <ameryhung@gmail.com>
Cc: bpf@vger.kernel.org, yangpeihao@sjtu.edu.cn, toke@redhat.com,
	jhs@mojatatu.com, jiri@resnulli.us, sdf@google.com,
	xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com, yepeilin.cs@gmail.com,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Kui-Feng Lee <thinker.li@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v7 1/8] net_sched: Introduce eBPF based Qdisc
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2024 22:39:43 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8c00bd63-2d00-401e-af6d-1b6aebac4701@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMB2axOZqwgksukO5d4OiXeEgo2jFrgnzO5PQwABi_WxYFycGg@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/26/24 5:17 PM, Amery Hung wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 6:22 PM Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev> wrote:
>>
>> On 1/23/24 9:22 PM, Amery Hung wrote:
>>>> I looked at the high level of the patchset. The major ops that it wants to be
>>>> programmable in bpf is the ".enqueue" and ".dequeue" (+ ".init" and ".reset" in
>>>> patch 4 and patch 5).
>>>>
>>>> This patch adds a new prog type BPF_PROG_TYPE_QDISC, four attach types (each for
>>>> ".enqueue", ".dequeue", ".init", and ".reset"), and a new "bpf_qdisc_ctx" in the
>>>> uapi. It is no long an acceptable way to add new bpf extension.
>>>>
>>>> Can the ".enqueue", ".dequeue", ".init", and ".reset" be completely implemented
>>>> in bpf (with the help of new kfuncs if needed)? Then a struct_ops for Qdisc_ops
>>>> can be created. The bpf Qdisc_ops can be loaded through the existing struct_ops api.
>>>>
>>> Partially. If using struct_ops, I think we'll need another structure
>>> like the following in bpf qdisc to be implemented with struct_ops bpf:
>>>
>>> struct bpf_qdisc_ops {
>>>       int (*enqueue) (struct sk_buff *skb)
>>>       void (*dequeue) (void)
>>>       void (*init) (void)
>>>       void (*reset) (void)
>>> };
>>>
>>> Then, Qdisc_ops will wrap around them to handle things that cannot be
>>> implemented with bpf (e.g., sch_tree_lock, returning a skb ptr).
>>
>> We can see how those limitations (calling sch_tree_lock() and returning a ptr)
>> can be addressed in bpf. This will also help other similar use cases.
>>
> 
> For kptr, I wonder if we can support the following semantics in bpf if
> they make sense:

I think they are useful but they are not fully supported now.

Some thoughts below.

> 1. Passing a referenced kptr into a bpf program, which will also need
> to be released, or exchanged into maps or allocated objects.

"enqueue" should be the one considering here:

struct Qdisc_ops {
	/* ... */
	int                     (*enqueue)(struct sk_buff *skb,
					   struct Qdisc *sch,
					   struct sk_buff **to_free);

};

The verifier only marks the skb as a trusted kptr but does not mark its 
reg->ref_obj_id. Take a look at btf_ctx_access(). In particular:

	if (prog_args_trusted(prog))
		info->reg_type |= PTR_TRUSTED;

The verifier does not know the skb ownership is passed into the ".enqueue" ops 
and does not know the bpf prog needs to release it or store it in a map.

The verifier tracks the reference state when a KF_ACQUIRE kfunc is called (just 
an example, not saying we need to use KF_ACQUIRE kfunc). Take a look at 
acquire_reference_state() which is the useful one here.

Whenever the verifier is loading the ".enqueue" bpf_prog, the verifier can 
always acquire_reference_state() for the "struct sk_buff *skb" argument.

Take a look at a recent RFC: 
https://lore.kernel.org/bpf/20240122212217.1391878-1-thinker.li@gmail.com/
which is tagging the argument of an ops (e.g. ".enqueue" here). That RFC patch 
is tagging the argument could be NULL by appending "__nullable" to the argument 
name. The verifier will enforce that the bpf prog must check for NULL first.

The similar idea can be used here but with a different tagging (for example, 
"__must_release", admittedly not a good name). While the RFC patch is 
in-progress, for now, may be hardcode for the ".enqueue" ops in 
check_struct_ops_btf_id() and always acquire_reference_state() for the skb. This 
part can be adjusted later once the RFC patch will be in shape.


Then one more thing is to track when the struct_ops bpf prog is actually reading 
the value of the skb pointer. One thing is worth to mention here, e.g. a 
struct_ops prog for enqueue:

SEC("struct_ops")
int BPF_PROG(bpf_dropall_enqueue, struct sk_buff *skb, struct Qdisc *sch,
	     struct sk_buff **to_free)
{
	return bpf_qdisc_drop(skb, sch, to_free);
}

Take a look at the BPF_PROG macro, the bpf prog is getting a pointer to an array 
of __u64 as the only argument. The skb is actually in ctx[0], sch is in 
ctx[1]...etc. When ctx[0] is read to get the skb pointer (e.g. r1 = ctx[0]), 
btf_ctx_access() marks the reg_type to PTR_TRUSTED. It needs to also initialize 
the reg->ref_obj_id by the id obtained earlier from acquire_reference_state() 
during check_struct_ops_btf_id() somehow.


> 2. Returning a kptr from a program and treating it as releasing the reference.

e.g. for dequeue:

struct Qdisc_ops {
	/* ... */
	struct sk_buff *        (*dequeue)(struct Qdisc *);
};


Right now the verifier should complain on check_reference_leak() if the 
struct_ops bpf prog is returning a referenced kptr.

Unlike an argument, the return type of a function does not have a name to tag. 
It is the first case that a struct_ops bpf_prog returning a pointer. One idea is 
to assume it must be a trusted pointer (PTR_TRUSTED) and the verifier should 
check it is indeed with PTR_TRUSTED flag.

May be release_reference_state() can be called to assume the kernel will release 
it as long as the return pointer type is PTR_TRUSTED and the type matches the 
return type of the ops. Take a look at check_return_code().

  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-30  6:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-17 21:56 [RFC PATCH v7 0/8] net_sched: Introduce eBPF based Qdisc Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 1/8] " Amery Hung
2024-01-23 23:51   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-01-24  5:22     ` Amery Hung
2024-01-26  2:22       ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-01-27  1:17         ` Amery Hung
2024-01-30  6:39           ` Martin KaFai Lau [this message]
2024-01-30 17:49             ` Kui-Feng Lee
2024-01-31  1:01               ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-01-31 16:49                 ` Kui-Feng Lee
2024-01-31 16:59                   ` Amery Hung
2024-01-31 16:23             ` Amery Hung
2024-02-02  1:47               ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-02-09 20:14                 ` Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 2/8] net_sched: Add kfuncs for working with skb Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 3/8] net_sched: Introduce kfunc bpf_skb_tc_classify() Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 4/8] net_sched: Add reset program Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 5/8] net_sched: Add init program Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 6/8] tools/libbpf: Add support for BPF_PROG_TYPE_QDISC Amery Hung
2024-01-23  0:17   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-01-23 19:40     ` Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 7/8] samples/bpf: Add an example of bpf fq qdisc Amery Hung
2024-01-24 10:29   ` Daniel Borkmann
2024-01-26 19:49     ` Amery Hung
2024-01-17 21:56 ` [RFC PATCH v7 8/8] samples/bpf: Add an example of bpf netem qdisc Amery Hung
2024-01-23 21:13 ` [RFC PATCH v7 0/8] net_sched: Introduce eBPF based Qdisc Stanislav Fomichev
2024-01-24 10:10   ` Daniel Borkmann
2024-01-24 12:09   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2024-01-24 13:07     ` Daniel Borkmann
2024-01-24 14:11       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2024-01-24 15:26         ` Daniel Borkmann
2024-01-24 21:26           ` Amery Hung
2024-01-25 11:57             ` Daniel Borkmann

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