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From: Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
To: Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexander Duyck <alexanderduyck@fb.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>, Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	su-lifan@linux.alibaba.com, "dust.li" <dust.li@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net] net: avoid 32 x truesize under-estimation for tiny skbs
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 14:08:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANn89iKHdMWOFtX5om_g6SHW_tC0V_G94rGvOLPdtoLxEVH19w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1617190239.1035674-1-xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 1:34 PM Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 04:11:12 -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 11:06:09AM +0200, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 10:52 AM Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 08:18:19 -0800, Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > From: Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Both virtio net and napi_get_frags() allocate skbs
> > > > > with a very small skb->head
> > > > >
> > > > > While using page fragments instead of a kmalloc backed skb->head might give
> > > > > a small performance improvement in some cases, there is a huge risk of
> > > > > under estimating memory usage.
> > > > >
> > > > > For both GOOD_COPY_LEN and GRO_MAX_HEAD, we can fit at least 32 allocations
> > > > > per page (order-3 page in x86), or even 64 on PowerPC
> > > > >
> > > > > We have been tracking OOM issues on GKE hosts hitting tcp_mem limits
> > > > > but consuming far more memory for TCP buffers than instructed in tcp_mem[2]
> > > > >
> > > > > Even if we force napi_alloc_skb() to only use order-0 pages, the issue
> > > > > would still be there on arches with PAGE_SIZE >= 32768
> > > > >
> > > > > This patch makes sure that small skb head are kmalloc backed, so that
> > > > > other objects in the slab page can be reused instead of being held as long
> > > > > as skbs are sitting in socket queues.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that we might in the future use the sk_buff napi cache,
> > > > > instead of going through a more expensive __alloc_skb()
> > > > >
> > > > > Another idea would be to use separate page sizes depending
> > > > > on the allocated length (to never have more than 4 frags per page)
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to thank Greg Thelen for his precious help on this matter,
> > > > > analysing crash dumps is always a time consuming task.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This patch causes a performance degradation of about 10% in the scenario of
> > > > virtio-net + GRO.
> > > >
> > > > For GRO, there is no way to merge skbs based on frags with this patch, only
> > > > frag_list can be used to link skbs. The problem that this cause are that compared
> > > > to the GRO package merged into the frags way, the current skb needs to call
> > > > kfree_skb_list to release each skb, resulting in performance degradation.
> > > >
> > > > virtio-net will store some data onto the linear space after receiving it. In
> > > > addition to the header, there are also some payloads, so "headlen <= offset"
> > > > fails. And skb->head_frag is failing when use kmalloc() for skb->head allocation.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the report.
> > >
> > > There is no way we can make things both fast for existing strategies
> > > used by _insert_your_driver
> > > and malicious usages of data that can sit for seconds/minutes in socket queues.
> > >
> > > I think that if you want to gain this 10% back, you have to change
> > > virtio_net to meet optimal behavior.
> > >
> > > Normal drivers make sure to not pull payload in skb->head, only headers.
> >
> > Hmm we do have hdr_len field, but seem to ignore it on RX.
> > Jason do you see any issues with using it for the head len?
> >
>
> Why not add a struct skb_shared_info space when adding merge/big buffer?
> So that we can use build_skb to create skb. For skb with little data, we can
> copy directly to save pages.
>

This does not matter. build_skb() is a distraction here.

Ultimately, you want to receive fat GRO packets with 17 MSS per sk_buff

The patch I gave earlier will combine :

1) Advantage of having skb->head being backed by slab allocations,
   to solve the OOM issue my patch already coped with.

2)  Up to 17 page frags attached to the sk_buff, storing 17 MSS.

In the past, virtio_net had to use 2 slots in shared_info per MSS
  -One slot for the first ~200 bytes of payload
 - One slot for the last part of the MSS.

Please try my patch, so that we confirm the issue is really in page_to_skb()

Thanks

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-03-31 12:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-13 16:18 [PATCH net] net: avoid 32 x truesize under-estimation for tiny skbs Eric Dumazet
2021-01-13 18:00 ` Alexander Duyck
2021-01-13 19:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-01-13 22:23 ` David Laight
2021-01-14  5:16   ` Eric Dumazet
2021-01-14  9:29     ` David Laight
2021-01-14 19:00 ` patchwork-bot+netdevbpf
     [not found] ` <1617007696.5731978-1-xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
2021-03-29  9:06   ` Eric Dumazet
2021-03-31  8:11     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-31  8:36       ` Eric Dumazet
2021-03-31  8:46         ` Eric Dumazet
2021-03-31  8:49           ` Eric Dumazet
2021-03-31  8:54             ` Eric Dumazet
     [not found]               ` <1617248264.4993114-2-xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
2021-04-01  5:06                 ` Eric Dumazet
     [not found]                   ` <1617357110.3822439-1-xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
2021-04-02 12:52                     ` Eric Dumazet
2021-04-01 13:51         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-04-01 14:08           ` Eric Dumazet
2021-04-01  7:14       ` Jason Wang
     [not found]         ` <1617267183.5697193-1-xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
2021-04-01  9:58           ` Eric Dumazet
2021-04-02  2:52             ` Jason Wang
     [not found]               ` <1617361253.1788838-2-xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
2021-04-02 12:53                 ` Eric Dumazet
2021-04-06  2:04                 ` Jason Wang
     [not found]       ` <1617190239.1035674-1-xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
2021-03-31 12:08         ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2021-04-01 13:36         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-09-07 20:19 ` Paolo Abeni
2022-09-07 20:40   ` Eric Dumazet
2022-09-08 10:48     ` Paolo Abeni
2022-09-08 12:20       ` Eric Dumazet
2022-09-08 14:26         ` Paolo Abeni
2022-09-08 16:00           ` Eric Dumazet
2022-09-07 21:36   ` Alexander H Duyck
2022-09-08 11:00     ` Paolo Abeni
2022-09-08 14:53       ` Alexander H Duyck
2022-09-08 18:01         ` Paolo Abeni
2022-09-08 19:26           ` Alexander Duyck

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