From: Marc Kleine-Budde <mkl@pengutronix.de>
To: Vincent Prince <vincent.prince.fr@gmail.com>
Cc: jiri@resnulli.us, dave.taht@gmail.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
jhs@mojatatu.com, linux-can@vger.kernel.org,
kernel@pengutronix.de, xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com,
davem@davemloft.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] net: sch_generic: Use pfifo_fast as fallback scheduler for CAN hardware
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 16:55:26 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a0adc1d1-8a88-b2fa-d6d3-928785b16ebb@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <84b8ce24-fe5d-ead0-0d1d-03ea24b36f71@pengutronix.de>
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On 10/22/19 4:53 PM, Marc Kleine-Budde wrote:
> On 10/22/19 3:23 PM, Vincent Prince wrote:
>> Signed-off-by: Vincent Prince <vincent.prince.fr@gmail.com>
>
> please include a patch description. I.e. this one:
>
> -------->8-------->8-------->8-------->8-------->8-------->8-------->8--------
> There is networking hardware that isn't based on Ethernet for layers 1 and 2.
>
> For example CAN.
>
> CAN is a multi-master serial bus standard for connecting Electronic Control
> Units [ECUs] also known as nodes. A frame on the CAN bus carries up to 8 bytes
> of payload. Frame corruption is detected by a CRC. However frame loss due to
> corruption is possible, but a quite unusual phenomenon.
>
> While fq_codel works great for TCP/IP, it doesn't for CAN. There are a lot of
> legacy protocols on top of CAN, which are not build with flow control or high
> CAN frame drop rates in mind.
>
> When using fq_codel, as soon as the queue reaches a certain delay based length,
> skbs from the head of the queue are silently dropped. Silently meaning that the
> user space using a send() or similar syscall doesn't get an error. However
> TCP's flow control algorithm will detect dropped packages and adjust the
> bandwidth accordingly.
>
> When using fq_codel and sending raw frames over CAN, which is the common use
> case, the user space thinks the package has been sent without problems, because
> send() returned without an error. pfifo_fast will drop skbs, if the queue
> length exceeds the maximum. But with this scheduler the skbs at the tail are
> dropped, an error (-ENOBUFS) is propagated to user space. So that the user
> space can slow down the package generation.
>
> On distributions, where fq_codel is made default via CONFIG_DEFAULT_NET_SCH
> during compile time, or set default during runtime with sysctl
> net.core.default_qdisc (see [1]), we get a bad user experience. In my test case
> with pfifo_fast, I can transfer thousands of million CAN frames without a frame
> drop. On the other hand with fq_codel there is more then one lost CAN frame per
> thousand frames.
>
> As pointed out fq_codel is not suited for CAN hardware, so this patch changes
> attach_one_default_qdisc() to use pfifo_fast for "ARPHRD_CAN" network devices.
>
> During transition of a netdev from down to up state the default queuing
> discipline is attached by attach_default_qdiscs() with the help of
> attach_one_default_qdisc(). This patch modifies attach_one_default_qdisc() to
> attach the pfifo_fast (pfifo_fast_ops) if the network device type is
> "ARPHRD_CAN".
> -------->8-------->8-------->8-------->8-------->8-------->8-------->8--------
Doh, also include the footnote:
-------->8-------->8-------->8-------->8-------->8-------->8-------->8--------
[1] https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/9194
-------->8-------->8-------->8-------->8-------->8-------->8-------->8--------
Marc
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-10-22 14:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-03-27 16:56 [RFC] net: sch_generic: fq_codel vs pfifo_fast Marc Kleine-Budde
2019-03-27 16:56 ` [PATCH 1/2] net: sch_generic: add flag IFF_FIFO_QUEUE to use pfifo_fast as default scheduler Marc Kleine-Budde
2019-03-27 17:14 ` Cong Wang
2019-03-27 20:11 ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2019-03-27 20:53 ` Cong Wang
2019-04-02 17:22 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-03-27 18:53 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2019-03-27 19:27 ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2019-03-27 16:56 ` [PATCH 2/2] can: dev: let all CAN devices " Marc Kleine-Budde
2019-03-27 18:30 ` [RFC] net: sch_generic: fq_codel vs pfifo_fast Stephen Hemminger
2019-03-27 19:24 ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2019-10-22 12:47 ` [PATCH] net: sch_generic: Use pfifo_fast as fallback scheduler for CAN hardware Vincent Prince
2019-10-22 12:58 ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2019-10-22 13:23 ` [PATCH v2] " Vincent Prince
2019-10-22 14:53 ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2019-10-22 14:55 ` Marc Kleine-Budde [this message]
2019-10-22 16:42 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-10-22 16:48 ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2019-10-22 17:28 ` Eric Dumazet
2019-10-22 18:21 ` Oliver Hartkopp
2019-10-22 15:09 ` [PATCH v3] " Vincent Prince
2019-10-23 10:52 ` [PATCH v4] " Vincent Prince
2019-10-23 11:13 ` Dave Taht
2019-10-23 13:44 ` [PATCH v5] " Vincent Prince
2019-10-26 2:20 ` David Miller
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