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From: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
To: Radoslaw Biernacki <radoslaw.biernacki@linaro.org>
Cc: Hongbo Zhang <hongbo.zhang@linaro.org>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Leif Lindholm <leif.lindholm@linaro.org>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	qemu-arm <qemu-arm@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 2/2] hw/arm: Add arm SBSA reference machine, devices part
Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 09:46:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFEAcA_2fkXSBaLaFX-FPA8AxEhqMF+mzNpZwwy1Ns2Y6Q=0yA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEK-wKkiyNYjKKsJzukC_LLi163ngWV4P18-47Z6xxF0azB2uw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 18:48, Radoslaw Biernacki
<radoslaw.biernacki@linaro.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 13:30, Hongbo Zhang <hongbo.zhang@linaro.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 at 22:17, Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org> wrote:
>> > I don't think we should automatically create the usb keyboard
>> > and mouse devices. The user can do it on the command line if they
>> > want them.
>> >
>> OK.
>
>
> Actually I need to rise an objection to this one.
> As we trying to make SBSA machine as close as possible to real machine, we should have keyboard and mouse.
> Those have the same requirement as for VGA. It's just an expected piece of HW when you for e.g. installing a server.
> We also do a lot of FW work so it is expected to have keyboard (and even mouse) in UEFI.

Real hardware doesn't have the keyboard and mouse built in --
when you unpack the machine from the box you have to plug in
the keyboard and mouse yourself (and often you have to
buy the keyboard and mouse and monitor and maybe the
PCI video card separately).

But more seriously, the philosophy of the QEMU command line
is not "do what the user probably wants automatically". It
is "provide the user with full manual control of everything,
using a complicated but orthogonal set of options". We expect
that if users want a more "friendly" interface to setting
up VMs then they will use a "management layer" on top of
QEMU (such as libvirt).

thanks
-- PMM


  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-09  8:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-18  4:04 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 0/2] Add Arm SBSA Reference Machine Hongbo Zhang
2019-04-18  4:04 ` Hongbo Zhang
2019-04-18  4:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 1/2] hw/arm: Add arm SBSA reference machine, skeleton part Hongbo Zhang
2019-04-18  4:04   ` Hongbo Zhang
2019-04-30 14:03   ` Peter Maydell
2019-04-30 14:03     ` Peter Maydell
2019-05-08 11:22     ` Hongbo Zhang
2019-05-09 14:27       ` Igor Mammedov
2019-05-09 14:40         ` Peter Maydell
2019-04-18  4:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 2/2] hw/arm: Add arm SBSA reference machine, devices part Hongbo Zhang
2019-04-18  4:04   ` Hongbo Zhang
2019-04-30 14:16   ` Peter Maydell
2019-04-30 14:16     ` Peter Maydell
2019-05-08 11:30     ` Hongbo Zhang
2019-05-08 17:48       ` Radoslaw Biernacki
2019-05-09  8:46         ` Peter Maydell [this message]
2019-05-08 13:59     ` Markus Armbruster
2019-06-02  3:16       ` Hongbo Zhang
2019-06-03 10:54   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-06-16 11:41     ` Hongbo Zhang
2019-06-17 11:08       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-06-17  2:44     ` Hongbo Zhang
2019-04-30 14:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 0/2] Add Arm SBSA Reference Machine Peter Maydell
2019-04-30 14:18   ` Peter Maydell

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