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From: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: rcu@vger.kernel.org, rostedt@goodmis.org, bristot@redhat.com
Subject: Re: RCU_BOOST not working for me
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:19:37 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200118201937.GD244899@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200118043458.GT2935@paulmck-ThinkPad-P72>

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 08:34:58PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 09:34:34PM -0500, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 03:17:56PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > [...] 
> > > But rcutorture already has tests for RCU priority boosting.  Or are those
> > > failing in some way?
> > 
> > Yes there are tests, but I thought of just a simple experiment to study this.
> > Purely since it is existing RCU kernel code that I'd like to understand. And
> > me/Daniel are also looking into possibly using run-time / trace-based
> > verification some of these behaviors.
> 
> The functionality of rcu_state.cbovld should make that more entertaining.
> 
> But I would guess that the initial model would ignore memory footprint
> and just model RCU priority boosting as kicking in a fixed time after
> the beginning of the grace period.
> 
> Or do you guys have something else in mind?

Yes, that is the idea. And then turn the model into a unit test (for the
measurement). Though I am also personally trying to convince myself that a
unit test based on a model is better than the test in the kernel module I
just posted. We're just looking at applying Daniel's modeling work to
verification of behaviors like these.

A poor-man's alternative of a model-based test is just making sure that
synchronize_rcu() finishes in a bounded period of time (basically test by
observation than test by model) similar to what my kernel module did.  But I
guess a model based test would be more accurate and more strict about what is
considered a pass vs fail.

I was also studying SRCU and could not find tracepoints so I am thinking of
adding some to aid the study. I know for Tree-SRCU you are using timers and
workqueues but the concept hasn't largely changed since [1] was written
right?

[1] https://lwn.net/Articles/202847/

thanks!

 - Joel

> 							Thanx, Paul
> 
> PS.  Steve, yes, I do well remember our earlier discussions about readers
>      inheriting priority from the highest-priority synchronize_rcu().  ;-)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-01-18 20:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-17 21:58 RCU_BOOST not working for me Joel Fernandes
2020-01-17 22:18 ` Joel Fernandes
2020-01-17 23:17   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-01-18  2:10     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-01-18  2:32       ` Joel Fernandes
2020-01-18  4:31         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-01-18  4:28       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-01-18 20:12         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-01-18 22:37           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-01-18  2:34     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-01-18  4:34       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-01-18  4:54         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-01-18 20:21           ` Joel Fernandes
2020-01-18 22:29             ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-01-18 20:19         ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
2020-01-18 22:47           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-01-19  1:58             ` Joel Fernandes
2020-01-19  5:49               ` Paul E. McKenney

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