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From: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	Ondrej Mosnacek <omosnace@redhat.com>,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	Mark Salyzyn <salyzyn@android.com>,
	Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	overlayfs <linux-unionfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, selinux@vger.kernel.org,
	Daniel J Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: overlayfs access checks on underlying layers
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 09:30:53 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4c20a261-5ce1-f0a2-8d40-c6032a023216@tycho.nsa.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJfpegtBDTMbmKd6eDxRmtSJjGN6CnpGK_QPNSsxjkOoeu=1pQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/4/18 8:32 AM, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 10:16 PM Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov> wrote:
>>
>> On 11/29/18 4:03 PM, Stephen Smalley wrote:
>>> On 11/29/18 2:47 PM, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 5:14 PM Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Possibly I misunderstood you, but I don't think we want to copy-up on
>>>>> permission denial, as that would still allow the mounter to read/write
>>>>> special files or execute regular files to which it would normally be
>>>>> denied access, because the copy would inherit the context specified by
>>>>> the mounter in the context mount case.  It still represents an
>>>>> escalation of privilege for the mounter.  In contrast, the copy-up on
>>>>> write behavior does not allow the mounter to do anything it could not do
>>>>> already (i.e. read from the lower, write to the upper).
>>>>
>>>> Let's get this straight:  when file is copied up, it inherits label
>>>> from context=, not from label of lower file?
>>>
>>> That's correct.  The overlay inodes are all assigned the label from the
>>> context= mount option, and so are any upper inodes created through the
>>> overlay.  At least that's my understanding of how it is supposed to
>>> work.  The original use case was for containers with the lower dir
>>> labeled with a context that is read-only to the container context and
>>> using a context that is writable by the container context for the
>>> context= mount.
>>>
>>>> Next question: permission to change metadata is tied to permission to
>>>> open?  Is it possible that open is denied, but metadata can be
>>>> changed?
>>>
>>> There is no metadata change occurring here. The overlay, upper, and
>>> lower inodes all keep their labels intact for their lifetime (both
>>> overlay and upper always have the context= label; upper has whatever its
>>                                                     ^^lower^^
>>
>>> original label was), unless explicitly relabeled by some process.  And
>>> when viewed through the overlay, the file always has the label specified
>>> via context=, even before the copy-up.
> 
> Okay.
> 
>>>
>>>> DAC model allows this: metadata change is tied to ownership, not mode
>>>> bits.   And different capability flag.
>>>>
>>>> If the same is true for MAC, then the pre-v4.20-rc1 is already
>>>> susceptible to the privilege escalation you describe, right?
>>>
>>> Actually, I guess there wouldn't be a privilege escalation if you
>>> checked the mounter's ability to create the new file upon copy-up, and
>>> checked the mounter's access to the upper inode label upon the
>>> subsequent read, write, or execute access.  Then we'd typically block
>>> the ability to create the device file and we'd block the ability to
>>> execute files with the label from context=.
>>>
>>> But copy-up of special files seems undesirable for other reasons (e.g.
>>> requiring mounters to be allowed to create device nodes just to permit
>>> client's to read/write them, possible implications for nodev/noexec,
>>> implications for socket and fifo files).
> 
> I think you missed my point: opening a device file or executing an
> executable wouldn't normally require copy-up.   If
> 
>   -  permission is granted on overlay to task, and
>   -  permission is granted on lower layer to mounter,
> 
> then copy-up wouldn't be performed.
> 
> My proposed sequence would be
> 
> a) check task's creds against overlay inode, fail -> return fail, otherwise:
> b) check mounter's creds against lower inode, success -> return
> success, otherwise:
> c) copy up inode, fail -> return fail, otherwise
> d) check mounter's creds against upper inode, return result.
> 
> So, unlike write access to regular files, write access to special
> files don't necessarily result in copy-up.
> 
> You say this is an escalation of privilege, but I don't get it how.
> As DWalsh points out downthread, if mounter cannot create device
> files, then the copy-up will simply fail.  If mounter can create
> device files, then this is not an escalation of privilege for the
> mounter.

Yes, in that case there isn't an escalation of privilege for the mounter 
(I acknowledged that above).  I'm still not sure copy-up of special 
files is a good idea though:

- In the case of device files, there is the potential for mischief by 
the client task in misusing the mounter's privileges to gain access to 
otherwise unusable device node (nodev lower vs upper?),

- In the case of sockets or fifos, what useful result do you get from a 
copy-up? Accessing the copy isn't going to yield the same result as 
accessing the original.

For executables, this copy-up behavior might trigger a lot of undesired 
copies of non-executable files from the lower dir into the upper, even 
if we ultimately end up denying the execute.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-04 14:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-27 19:55 overlayfs access checks on underlying layers Miklos Szeredi
2018-11-27 19:58 ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-11-27 21:05   ` Vivek Goyal
2018-11-28 10:00     ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-11-28 17:03       ` Vivek Goyal
2018-11-28 19:34         ` Stephen Smalley
2018-11-28 20:24           ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-11-28 21:46             ` Stephen Smalley
2018-11-29 11:04               ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-11-29 13:49                 ` Vivek Goyal
2019-03-04 17:01                   ` Mark Salyzyn
2019-03-04 17:56                     ` Casey Schaufler
2019-03-04 18:44                     ` Stephen Smalley
2019-03-04 19:21                       ` Amir Goldstein
2018-11-29 16:16                 ` Stephen Smalley
2018-11-29 16:22                   ` Stephen Smalley
2018-11-29 19:47                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-11-29 21:03                     ` Stephen Smalley
2018-11-29 21:19                       ` Stephen Smalley
2018-12-04 13:32                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-12-04 14:30                           ` Stephen Smalley [this message]
2018-12-04 14:45                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-12-04 15:35                               ` Stephen Smalley
2018-12-04 15:39                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-12-11 15:50                                   ` Paul Moore
2018-12-04 15:15                             ` Vivek Goyal
2018-12-04 15:22                               ` Vivek Goyal
2018-12-04 15:31                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2018-12-04 15:42                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2018-12-04 16:05                                     ` Stephen Smalley
2018-12-04 16:17                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2018-12-04 16:49                                         ` Stephen Smalley
2018-12-05 13:43                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2018-12-06 20:26                                             ` Stephen Smalley
2018-12-11 21:48                                               ` Vivek Goyal
2018-12-12 14:51                                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2018-12-13 14:58                                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2018-12-13 16:12                                                     ` Stephen Smalley
2018-12-13 18:54                                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2018-12-13 20:09                                                         ` Stephen Smalley
2018-12-13 20:26                                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2018-12-04 15:42                               ` Stephen Smalley
2018-12-04 16:15                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2018-11-29 22:22                     ` Daniel Walsh
2018-12-03 23:27                       ` Paul Moore
2018-12-04 14:43                         ` Stephen Smalley
2018-12-04 23:01                           ` Paul Moore

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