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From: Dario Faggioli <dfaggioli@suse.com>
To: "andrii.anisov@gmail.com" <andrii.anisov@gmail.com>,
	Juergen Gross <JGross@suse.com>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org" <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>
Cc: "sstabellini@kernel.org" <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	"andrii_anisov@epam.com" <andrii_anisov@epam.com>,
	"george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com" <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>,
	"andrew.cooper3@citrix.com" <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	"tim@xen.org" <tim@xen.org>,
	"julien.grall@arm.com" <julien.grall@arm.com>,
	Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [RFC 0/6] XEN scheduling hardening
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 18:46:06 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <522ba57b26c27875c34a153e101b3958ec8dd451.camel@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <30bb656e-fe48-e92e-403c-efc8fb7e8cb7@gmail.com>


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On Mon, 2019-07-29 at 17:47 +0300, Andrii Anisov wrote:
> On 26.07.19 15:14, Juergen Gross wrote:
> > > > 
> > Tasklets are sometimes used to perform async actions which can't be
> > done
> > in guest vcpu context.
> > [...]
> > Like switching a domain to shadow mode for L1TF
> > mitigation,
> 
> Sorry I'm not really aware what L1TF mitigation is.
> But
> 
> > or marshalling all cpus for stop_machine().
> 
> I think I faced some time ago. When fixed a noticeable lag in video
> playback at the moment of the other domain reboot.
> 
No, stop_machine() is not about a VM being shutdown/killed/stopped.
It's, let's say, about all the (physical) CPU in the host having to do
something, in a coordinated way.

Check the comment in xen/include/xen/stop_machine.h

> > You don't want
> > to be able to block tasklets, you want them to run as soon as
> > possible.
> 
> Should it really be done in the way of breaking scheduling? What if
> the system has RT requirements?
> 
It's possible, I guess, that we can implement some of the things that
are done in tasklets (either stop_machine() or something else)
differently, and in a way that is less disruptive for scheduling and
determinism.

But, if it is, it's not going to be as easy as <<let's run tasklet at
domain priority, and be done with it>>, I'm afraid. :-(

Regards
-- 
Dario Faggioli, Ph.D
http://about.me/dario.faggioli
Virtualization Software Engineer
SUSE Labs, SUSE https://www.suse.com/
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  reply	other threads:[~2019-07-29 18:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-26 10:37 [Xen-devel] [RFC 0/6] XEN scheduling hardening Andrii Anisov
2019-07-26 10:37 ` [Xen-devel] [RFC 1/6] xen/arm: Re-enable interrupt later in the trap path Andrii Anisov
2019-07-26 10:48   ` Julien Grall
2019-07-30 17:35     ` Andrii Anisov
2019-07-30 20:10       ` Julien Grall
2019-08-01  6:45         ` Andrii Anisov
2019-08-01  9:37           ` Julien Grall
2019-08-02  8:28             ` Andrii Anisov
2019-08-02  9:03               ` Julien Grall
2019-08-02 12:24                 ` Andrii Anisov
2019-08-02 13:22                   ` Julien Grall
2019-08-01 11:19           ` Dario Faggioli
2019-08-02  7:50             ` Andrii Anisov
2019-08-02  9:15               ` Julien Grall
2019-08-02 13:07                 ` Andrii Anisov
2019-08-02 13:49                   ` Julien Grall
2019-08-03  1:39                     ` Dario Faggioli
2019-08-03  0:55                   ` Dario Faggioli
2019-08-06 13:09                     ` Andrii Anisov
2019-08-08 14:07                       ` Andrii Anisov
2019-08-13 14:45                         ` Dario Faggioli
2019-08-15 18:25                           ` Andrii Anisov
2019-07-26 10:37 ` [Xen-devel] [RFC 2/6] schedule: account true system idle time Andrii Anisov
2019-07-26 12:00   ` Dario Faggioli
2019-07-26 12:42     ` Andrii Anisov
2019-07-29 11:40       ` Dario Faggioli
2019-08-01  8:23         ` Andrii Anisov
2019-07-26 10:37 ` [Xen-devel] [RFC 3/6] sysctl: extend XEN_SYSCTL_getcpuinfo interface Andrii Anisov
2019-07-26 12:15   ` Dario Faggioli
2019-07-26 13:06     ` Andrii Anisov
2019-07-26 10:37 ` [Xen-devel] [RFC 4/6] xentop: show CPU load information Andrii Anisov
2019-07-26 10:37 ` [Xen-devel] [RFC 5/6] arm64: сall enter_hypervisor_head only when it is needed Andrii Anisov
2019-07-26 10:44   ` Andrii Anisov
2019-07-26 10:37 ` [Xen-devel] [RFC 5/6] arm64: call " Andrii Anisov
2019-07-26 10:59   ` Julien Grall
2019-07-30 17:35     ` Andrii Anisov
2019-07-31 11:02       ` Julien Grall
2019-07-31 11:33         ` Andre Przywara
2019-08-01  7:33         ` Andrii Anisov
2019-08-01 10:17           ` Julien Grall
2019-08-02 13:50             ` Andrii Anisov
2019-07-26 10:37 ` [Xen-devel] [RFC 6/6] schedule: account all the hypervisor time to the idle vcpu Andrii Anisov
2019-07-26 11:56 ` [Xen-devel] [RFC 0/6] XEN scheduling hardening Dario Faggioli
2019-07-26 12:14   ` Juergen Gross
2019-07-29 11:53     ` Dario Faggioli
2019-07-29 12:13       ` Juergen Gross
2019-07-29 14:47     ` Andrii Anisov
2019-07-29 18:46       ` Dario Faggioli [this message]
2019-07-29 14:28   ` Andrii Anisov

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