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From: Chris Wilson <chris@chris-wilson.co.uk>
To: Sean Paul <sean@poorly.run>
Cc: Sean Paul <sean@poorly.run>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Sean Paul <seanpaul@chromium.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] drm/trace: Buffer DRM logs in a ringbuffer accessible via debugfs
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 14:01:19 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <157909687975.14122.1932646175287417072@skylake-alporthouse-com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200115134158.GC25564@art_vandelay>

Quoting Sean Paul (2020-01-15 13:41:58)
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 10:36:36AM +0000, Chris Wilson wrote:
> > Quoting Sean Paul (2020-01-14 17:21:43)
> > > From: Sean Paul <seanpaul@chromium.org>
> > > 
> > > This patch uses a ring_buffer to keep a "flight recorder" (name credit Weston)
> > > of DRM logs for a specified set of debug categories. The user writes a
> > > bitmask of debug categories to the "trace_mask" node and can read log
> > > messages from the "trace" node.
> > > 
> > > These nodes currently exist in debugfs under the dri directory. I
> > > intended on exposing all of this through tracefs originally, but the
> > > tracefs entry points are not exposed, so there's no way to create
> > > tracefs files from drivers at the moment. I think it would be a
> > > worthwhile endeavour, but one requiring more time and conversation to
> > > ensure the drm traces fit somewhere sensible.
> > 
> > Fwiw, I have a need for client orientated debug message store, with
> > the primary purpose of figuring out -EINVAL. We need per-client so we can
> > put sensitive information about the potentially buggy client behaviour,
> > and of course it needs to be accessible by the non-privileged client.
> > 
> > On the execution side, it's easy to keep track of the client so we could
> > trace execution flow per client, within reason. And we could do
> > similarly for kms clients.
> 
> Could you build such a thing with drm_trace underpinning it, just put the
> pertinent information in the message?

Not as is. The global has to go, and there's no use for debugfs. So we
are just left with a sprintf() around a ring_buffer. I am left in the
same position as just wanting to generalise tracek to take the ringbuffer
as a parameter.

> > Just chiming to say, I don't think a duplicate of dmesg hidden inside
> > debugfs achieves much. But a generic tracek-esque ringbuf would be very
> > useful -- even if only so we can separate our GEM_TRACE from the global
> > tracek.
> 
> I think that's essentially what we've got, I've just narrowly focused on
> surfacing debug logs. If drm_trace_printf were exported, replacing
> GEM_TRACE would be as simple as s/trace_printk/drm_trace_printf/. Initially I
> thought exporting it to drivers would be a bad idea, but I'm open to changing my
> mind on this as long as drivers are using it responsibly. 

I definitely can't make the mistake of flooding kms tracing with
overwhelming execution traces -- we can't go back to mixing kms traces
with execution traces.
-Chris

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From: Chris Wilson <chris@chris-wilson.co.uk>
To: Sean Paul <sean@poorly.run>
Cc: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Sean Paul <seanpaul@chromium.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	Sean Paul <sean@poorly.run>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] drm/trace: Buffer DRM logs in a ringbuffer accessible via debugfs
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 14:01:19 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <157909687975.14122.1932646175287417072@skylake-alporthouse-com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200115134158.GC25564@art_vandelay>

Quoting Sean Paul (2020-01-15 13:41:58)
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 10:36:36AM +0000, Chris Wilson wrote:
> > Quoting Sean Paul (2020-01-14 17:21:43)
> > > From: Sean Paul <seanpaul@chromium.org>
> > > 
> > > This patch uses a ring_buffer to keep a "flight recorder" (name credit Weston)
> > > of DRM logs for a specified set of debug categories. The user writes a
> > > bitmask of debug categories to the "trace_mask" node and can read log
> > > messages from the "trace" node.
> > > 
> > > These nodes currently exist in debugfs under the dri directory. I
> > > intended on exposing all of this through tracefs originally, but the
> > > tracefs entry points are not exposed, so there's no way to create
> > > tracefs files from drivers at the moment. I think it would be a
> > > worthwhile endeavour, but one requiring more time and conversation to
> > > ensure the drm traces fit somewhere sensible.
> > 
> > Fwiw, I have a need for client orientated debug message store, with
> > the primary purpose of figuring out -EINVAL. We need per-client so we can
> > put sensitive information about the potentially buggy client behaviour,
> > and of course it needs to be accessible by the non-privileged client.
> > 
> > On the execution side, it's easy to keep track of the client so we could
> > trace execution flow per client, within reason. And we could do
> > similarly for kms clients.
> 
> Could you build such a thing with drm_trace underpinning it, just put the
> pertinent information in the message?

Not as is. The global has to go, and there's no use for debugfs. So we
are just left with a sprintf() around a ring_buffer. I am left in the
same position as just wanting to generalise tracek to take the ringbuffer
as a parameter.

> > Just chiming to say, I don't think a duplicate of dmesg hidden inside
> > debugfs achieves much. But a generic tracek-esque ringbuf would be very
> > useful -- even if only so we can separate our GEM_TRACE from the global
> > tracek.
> 
> I think that's essentially what we've got, I've just narrowly focused on
> surfacing debug logs. If drm_trace_printf were exported, replacing
> GEM_TRACE would be as simple as s/trace_printk/drm_trace_printf/. Initially I
> thought exporting it to drivers would be a bad idea, but I'm open to changing my
> mind on this as long as drivers are using it responsibly. 

I definitely can't make the mistake of flooding kms tracing with
overwhelming execution traces -- we can't go back to mixing kms traces
with execution traces.
-Chris
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Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-14 17:21 [PATCH v4] drm/trace: Buffer DRM logs in a ringbuffer accessible via debugfs Sean Paul
2020-01-14 17:21 ` Sean Paul
2020-01-14 17:30 ` Steven Rostedt
2020-01-14 17:30   ` Steven Rostedt
2020-01-15  9:25 ` Joonas Lahtinen
2020-01-15 10:14 ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-01-15 10:14   ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-01-15 13:31   ` Sean Paul
2020-01-15 13:31     ` Sean Paul
2020-01-15 10:28 ` Jani Nikula
2020-01-15 10:28   ` Jani Nikula
2020-01-15 13:34   ` Sean Paul
2020-01-15 13:34     ` Sean Paul
2020-01-15 10:36 ` Chris Wilson
2020-01-15 10:36   ` Chris Wilson
2020-01-15 13:41   ` Sean Paul
2020-01-15 13:41     ` Sean Paul
2020-01-15 14:01     ` Chris Wilson [this message]
2020-01-15 14:01       ` Chris Wilson
2020-01-15 14:21       ` Sean Paul
2020-01-15 14:21         ` Sean Paul
2020-01-15 17:38         ` Chris Wilson
2020-01-15 17:38           ` Chris Wilson
2020-01-15 18:29           ` Sean Paul
2020-01-15 18:29             ` Sean Paul
2020-01-16  6:27 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-01-16  6:27   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-01-20 18:56   ` Steven Rostedt
2020-01-20 18:56     ` Steven Rostedt
2020-01-22  8:06     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-01-22  8:06       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-01-22 15:39       ` Sean Paul
2020-01-22 15:39         ` Sean Paul
2020-01-27  8:58         ` Daniel Vetter
2020-01-27  8:58           ` Daniel Vetter

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