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From: Alasdair G Kergon <agk@redhat.com>
To: David Zeuthen <zeuthen@gmail.com>
Cc: device-mapper development <dm-devel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] Send KOBJ_ADD event after dm resume	ioctl.
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:34:12 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100319143412.GE919@agk-dp.fab.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7b13a0f81003190658i78664328ocb94aa0048054a17@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 09:58:00AM -0400, David Zeuthen wrote:
> I think the problem is the that fact that 3rd party user space
> opens the device before it is ready (e.g. just after ADD but before
> the first CHANGE) makes things fall over.
> This short-coming is what needs to get fixed, I think - it's very
> fragile this way and since any random user / package can add
> rules to open the device on add events, said user / package can
> make device-mapper fail. Which doesn't exactly strike me
> as robust behavior.

And we suggested two potential solutions:

  1 - change the kernel so the ADD event doesn't arrive until the device is
ready for use.     [plus equivalent change for REMOVE]

      Advantage: the dm device handling looks more like a real disk so we have
less 'special case' code.  /dev then only indexes "dm devices ready to be used"
rather than "dm devices registered in the kernel"

      Disadvantage: breaks the currently-simple kobject/sysfs/dev linkage (as
per Kay's earlier mail)
 

  2 - several changes to the way udev rules are handled so we can choose to
ignore events and make no changes to /dev, so we can override rules other
packages insert without requiring dm-specific checks adding to them all, and
probably some of the other things we've discussed on these various threads.

 
Alasdair

  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-19 14:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-18 13:58 [PATCH 1/3] Send KOBJ_ADD event after dm resume ioctl Milan Broz
2010-03-18 13:58 ` [PATCH 2/3] Add genhd flag requesting notification of partition changes only Milan Broz
2010-03-18 13:58 ` [PATCH 3/3] Do not send multiple REMOVE events for kobjects Milan Broz
2010-03-18 16:13 ` [PATCH 1/3] Send KOBJ_ADD event after dm resume ioctl Kay Sievers
2010-03-18 17:24   ` Alasdair G Kergon
2010-03-18 21:35   ` Milan Broz
2010-03-19  8:27     ` Kay Sievers
2010-03-19  9:06       ` Lars Ellenberg
2010-03-19  9:24         ` Kay Sievers
2010-03-19  9:49           ` Milan Broz
2010-03-19 10:16             ` Kay Sievers
2010-03-19 11:14               ` Milan Broz
2010-03-19 11:44                 ` Kay Sievers
2010-03-19 12:08                   ` Milan Broz
2010-03-19 12:14                     ` Kay Sievers
2010-03-19 11:50                 ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-03-19 12:00               ` Alasdair G Kergon
2010-03-19 12:12               ` Alasdair G Kergon
2010-03-19 12:16                 ` Kay Sievers
2010-03-19 13:17                   ` Peter Rajnoha
2010-03-19 13:24           ` Peter Rajnoha
2010-03-19 13:43             ` Kay Sievers
2010-03-19 13:47               ` Alasdair G Kergon
2010-03-19 13:58               ` David Zeuthen
2010-03-19 14:34                 ` Alasdair G Kergon [this message]
2010-03-19 14:59                   ` David Zeuthen
2010-03-19 15:24                     ` Alasdair G Kergon
2010-03-19 16:01                       ` David Zeuthen
2010-03-19 16:36                         ` Alasdair G Kergon
2010-03-22 10:11                         ` Milan Broz
2010-03-19 15:55                 ` Mike Snitzer
2010-03-19 16:08                   ` David Zeuthen
2010-03-19 14:08             ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-03-19 15:05               ` Peter Rajnoha
2010-03-19 15:14                 ` David Zeuthen
2010-03-19 15:51                   ` Peter Rajnoha
2010-03-19  9:10       ` Milan Broz
2010-03-19  9:22         ` Kay Sievers
2010-03-19  9:42 ` Hannes Reinecke
2010-03-19 12:27   ` Alasdair G Kergon

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