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From: Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
To: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <dahi@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	"Peter Zijlstra (Intel)" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Yishai Hadas <yishaih@mellanox.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] drm/i915: Move ioremap_wc tracking onto VMA
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 09:27:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160421072739.GV2510@phenom.ffwll.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160420212727.GS1990@wotan.suse.de>

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 11:27:27PM +0200, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 01:17:30PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 11:10:54AM +0200, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> > > Reason I ask is since I noticed a while ago a lot of drivers
> > > were using info->fix.smem_start and info->fix.smem_len consistently
> > > for their ioremap'd areas it might make sense instead to let the
> > > internal framebuffer (register_framebuffer()) optionally manage the
> > > ioremap_wc() for drivers, given that this is pretty generic stuff.
> > 
> > All that legacy fbdev stuff is just for legacy support, and I prefer to
> > have that as dumb as possible. There's been some discussion even around
> > lifting the "kick out firmware fb driver" out of fbdev, since we'd need it
> > to have a simple drm driver for e.g. uefi.
> > 
> > But I definitely don't want a legacy horror show like fbdev to
> > automagically take care of device mappings for drivers.
> 
> Makes sense, it also still begs the question if more modern APIs
> could manage the ioremap for you. Evidence shows people get
> sloppy and if things were done internally with helpers it may
> be easier to later make adjustments.

Real gpus generally have so much mmio space that you want to ioremap them
on demand. At least if you still care about 32bit support. And on-die gpus
on socs or similar tend to not have an mmio range to access the gfx
remapping range at all, but instead expect that to be done with gpu
pagetables.

So at least with gpus I don't see a real demand for this, and the existing
users are mostly old fbdev drivers that really no one should be touching
;-)

Cheers, Daniel
-- 
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch
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Intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org
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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
To: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>
Cc: Chris Wilson <chris@chris-wilson.co.uk>,
	David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Peter Zijlstra (Intel)" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Yishai Hadas <yishaih@mellanox.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <dahi@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 4/4] drm/i915: Move ioremap_wc tracking onto VMA
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 09:27:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160421072739.GV2510@phenom.ffwll.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160420212727.GS1990@wotan.suse.de>

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 11:27:27PM +0200, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 01:17:30PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 11:10:54AM +0200, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> > > Reason I ask is since I noticed a while ago a lot of drivers
> > > were using info->fix.smem_start and info->fix.smem_len consistently
> > > for their ioremap'd areas it might make sense instead to let the
> > > internal framebuffer (register_framebuffer()) optionally manage the
> > > ioremap_wc() for drivers, given that this is pretty generic stuff.
> > 
> > All that legacy fbdev stuff is just for legacy support, and I prefer to
> > have that as dumb as possible. There's been some discussion even around
> > lifting the "kick out firmware fb driver" out of fbdev, since we'd need it
> > to have a simple drm driver for e.g. uefi.
> > 
> > But I definitely don't want a legacy horror show like fbdev to
> > automagically take care of device mappings for drivers.
> 
> Makes sense, it also still begs the question if more modern APIs
> could manage the ioremap for you. Evidence shows people get
> sloppy and if things were done internally with helpers it may
> be easier to later make adjustments.

Real gpus generally have so much mmio space that you want to ioremap them
on demand. At least if you still care about 32bit support. And on-die gpus
on socs or similar tend to not have an mmio range to access the gfx
remapping range at all, but instead expect that to be done with gpu
pagetables.

So at least with gpus I don't see a real demand for this, and the existing
users are mostly old fbdev drivers that really no one should be touching
;-)

Cheers, Daniel
-- 
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
To: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <dahi@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	"Peter Zijlstra \(Intel\)" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Yishai Hadas <yishaih@mellanox.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] drm/i915: Move ioremap_wc tracking onto VMA
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 09:27:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160421072739.GV2510@phenom.ffwll.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160420212727.GS1990@wotan.suse.de>

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 11:27:27PM +0200, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 01:17:30PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 11:10:54AM +0200, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> > > Reason I ask is since I noticed a while ago a lot of drivers
> > > were using info->fix.smem_start and info->fix.smem_len consistently
> > > for their ioremap'd areas it might make sense instead to let the
> > > internal framebuffer (register_framebuffer()) optionally manage the
> > > ioremap_wc() for drivers, given that this is pretty generic stuff.
> > 
> > All that legacy fbdev stuff is just for legacy support, and I prefer to
> > have that as dumb as possible. There's been some discussion even around
> > lifting the "kick out firmware fb driver" out of fbdev, since we'd need it
> > to have a simple drm driver for e.g. uefi.
> > 
> > But I definitely don't want a legacy horror show like fbdev to
> > automagically take care of device mappings for drivers.
> 
> Makes sense, it also still begs the question if more modern APIs
> could manage the ioremap for you. Evidence shows people get
> sloppy and if things were done internally with helpers it may
> be easier to later make adjustments.

Real gpus generally have so much mmio space that you want to ioremap them
on demand. At least if you still care about 32bit support. And on-die gpus
on socs or similar tend to not have an mmio range to access the gfx
remapping range at all, but instead expect that to be done with gpu
pagetables.

So at least with gpus I don't see a real demand for this, and the existing
users are mostly old fbdev drivers that really no one should be touching
;-)

Cheers, Daniel
-- 
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch
_______________________________________________
Intel-gfx mailing list
Intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/intel-gfx

  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-21  7:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-18 11:13 [PATCH v2 1/4] drm/i915/overlay: Replace i915_gem_obj_ggtt_offset() with the known flip_addr Chris Wilson
2016-04-18 11:14 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] io-mapping: Specify mapping size for io_mapping_map_wc() Chris Wilson
2016-04-18 11:14   ` Chris Wilson
2016-04-18 11:14   ` Chris Wilson
2016-04-19 12:02   ` Chris Wilson
2016-04-19 12:30     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-04-19 12:34       ` Chris Wilson
2016-04-19 12:34         ` Chris Wilson
2016-04-19 12:34         ` Chris Wilson
     [not found]       ` <1461069238-31539-1-git-send-email-chris@chris-wilson.co.uk>
     [not found]         ` <1461069238-31539-4-git-send-email-chris@chris-wilson.co.uk>
2016-04-20  9:10           ` [PATCH 4/4] drm/i915: Move ioremap_wc tracking onto VMA Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-04-20  9:10             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-04-20  9:10             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-04-20  9:38             ` Chris Wilson
2016-04-20  9:38               ` Chris Wilson
2016-04-20  9:38               ` Chris Wilson
2016-04-20 11:17             ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2016-04-20 11:17               ` Daniel Vetter
2016-04-20 11:17               ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]               ` <20160420111730.GL2510-dv86pmgwkMBes7Z6vYuT8azUEOm+Xw19@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-20 21:27                 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-04-20 21:27                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-04-21  7:27                   ` Daniel Vetter [this message]
2016-04-21  7:27                     ` Daniel Vetter
2016-04-21  7:27                     ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2016-04-18 11:14 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] drm/i915: Introduce i915_vm_to_ggtt() Chris Wilson
2016-04-18 12:01   ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2016-04-18 13:37   ` Joonas Lahtinen
2016-04-18 14:02     ` Chris Wilson
2016-04-18 11:14 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] drm/i915: Move ioremap_wc tracking onto VMA Chris Wilson
2016-04-18 11:56   ` Chris Wilson
2016-04-18 12:08     ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2016-04-18 14:54       ` [PATCH] " Chris Wilson
2016-04-18 15:08         ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2016-04-18 15:22           ` Chris Wilson
2016-04-18 15:27             ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2016-04-19 11:06               ` Chris Wilson
2016-04-19 12:19                 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2016-04-19 17:33                 ` kbuild test robot
2016-04-18 15:20         ` kbuild test robot
2016-04-18 12:03   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] " Tvrtko Ursulin
2016-04-18 13:26 ` ✗ Fi.CI.BAT: warning for series starting with [v2,1/4] drm/i915/overlay: Replace i915_gem_obj_ggtt_offset() with the known flip_addr Patchwork
2016-04-18 15:29 ` ✗ Fi.CI.BAT: warning for series starting with [v2,1/4] drm/i915/overlay: Replace i915_gem_obj_ggtt_offset() with the known flip_addr (rev2) Patchwork
2016-04-19 11:57 ` ✗ Fi.CI.BAT: failure for series starting with [v2,1/4] drm/i915/overlay: Replace i915_gem_obj_ggtt_offset() with the known flip_addr (rev3) Patchwork

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