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From: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
To: Sinan Kaya <okaya@codeaurora.org>
Cc: cov@codeaurora.org, Tomasz Nowicki <tn@semihalf.com>,
	will.deacon@arm.com, catalin.marinas@arm.com, rafael@kernel.org,
	Lorenzo.Pieralisi@arm.com, arnd@arndb.de, hanjun.guo@linaro.org,
	jchandra@broadcom.com, dhdang@apm.com, ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org,
	robert.richter@caviumnetworks.com, mw@semihalf.com,
	Liviu.Dudau@arm.com, ddaney@caviumnetworks.com,
	wangyijing@huawei.com, msalter@redhat.com,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linaro-acpi@lists.linaro.org, jcm@redhat.com,
	andrea.gallo@linaro.org, jeremy.linton@arm.com,
	liudongdong3@huawei.com, gabriele.paoloni@huawei.com,
	jhugo@codeaurora.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2] PCI: QDF2432 32 bit config space accessors
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 15:43:49 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161103204349.GA4132@bhelgaas-glaptop.roam.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aa8bc916-9363-2de7-2997-4ce470562b2c@codeaurora.org>

On Thu, Nov 03, 2016 at 12:58:10PM -0400, Sinan Kaya wrote:
> 
> On 11/3/2016 10:00 AM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 02, 2016 at 12:36:16PM -0400, Sinan Kaya wrote:
> >> Hi Bjorn,
> >>
> >> On 11/2/2016 12:08 PM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 07:06:31AM -0600, cov@codeaurora.org wrote:
> >>>> Hi Bjorn,
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2016-10-31 15:48, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 06:38:05PM -0400, Christopher Covington wrote:
> >>>>>> The Qualcomm Technologies QDF2432 SoC does not support accesses
> >>>>>> smaller
> >>>>>> than 32 bits to the PCI configuration space. Register the appropriate
> >>>>>> quirk.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Signed-off-by: Christopher Covington <cov@codeaurora.org>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Christopher,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can you rebase this against v4.9-rc1?  It no longer applies to my tree.
> >>>>
> >>>> I apologize for not being clearer. This patch depends on:
> >>>>
> >>>> PCI/ACPI: Extend pci_mcfg_lookup() responsibilities
> >>>> PCI/ACPI: Check platform-specific ECAM quirks
> >>>>
> >>>> These patches from Tomasz Nowicki were previously in your pci/ecam-v6
> >>>> branch, but that seems to have come and gone. How would you like to
> >>>> proceed?
> >>>
> >>> Oh yes, that's right, I forgot that connection.  I'm afraid I kind of
> >>> dropped the ball on that thread, so I went back and read through it
> >>> again.
> >>>
> >>> I *think* the current state is:
> >>>
> >>>   - I'm OK with the first two patches that add the quirk
> >>>     infrastructure.
> >>>
> >>>   - My issue with the last three patches that add ThunderX quirks is
> >>>     that there's no generic description of the ECAM address space.
> >>>
> >>> So if I understand correctly, your Qualcomm patch depends only on the
> >>> first two patches.
> >>>
> >>> Then the question is how the Qualcomm ECAM address space is described.
> >>> Your quirk overrides the default pci_generic_ecam_ops with the
> >>> &pci_32b_ops, but it doesn't touch the address space part, so I assume
> >>> the bus ranges and corresponding address space in your MCFG is
> >>> correct.  So far, so good.
> >>
> >> Qualcomm ECAM space includes both the root port and the endpoint address
> >> space with a single contiguous 256 MB address space described in MCFG table.
> >> There is no need to describe additional resources like PNP0C02.
> > 
> > This is the crucial point I have failed to communicate clearly: the
> > PNP0C02 resource is *always* required, even if the MCFG is correct.
> > 
> 
> Interesting...
> 
> It looks like there is a lot of lessons learnt here from history.
> 
> I think this requirement is only true if your system DDR space and PCIe
> space overlaps in the memory map. I understand that Intel systems allow
> sharing of these two memory ranges. An OS could potentially reclaim this
> address range.
> 
> If there is no overlap and PCI is not enabled, there can't be any SW entity
> to reclaim this space. 

No, this isn't really anything to do with DDR/PCIe overlaps.  This is
just a fundamental part of the ACPI model: the firmware should
communicate all address space usage to the OS either via ACPI or via
standard self-describing mechanisms like PCI BARs.

You can argue that this isn't "necessary", but that's an assumption
based on your knowledge of this particular system, and we don't want
the OS to have to make that assumption.  For example, ACPI allows the
hot-addition of new ACPI devices, and we may have to assign address
space for them, and we don't want to collide with existing devices.

Bjorn

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: helgaas@kernel.org (Bjorn Helgaas)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCHv2] PCI: QDF2432 32 bit config space accessors
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 15:43:49 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161103204349.GA4132@bhelgaas-glaptop.roam.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aa8bc916-9363-2de7-2997-4ce470562b2c@codeaurora.org>

On Thu, Nov 03, 2016 at 12:58:10PM -0400, Sinan Kaya wrote:
> 
> On 11/3/2016 10:00 AM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 02, 2016 at 12:36:16PM -0400, Sinan Kaya wrote:
> >> Hi Bjorn,
> >>
> >> On 11/2/2016 12:08 PM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 07:06:31AM -0600, cov at codeaurora.org wrote:
> >>>> Hi Bjorn,
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2016-10-31 15:48, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 06:38:05PM -0400, Christopher Covington wrote:
> >>>>>> The Qualcomm Technologies QDF2432 SoC does not support accesses
> >>>>>> smaller
> >>>>>> than 32 bits to the PCI configuration space. Register the appropriate
> >>>>>> quirk.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Signed-off-by: Christopher Covington <cov@codeaurora.org>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Christopher,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can you rebase this against v4.9-rc1?  It no longer applies to my tree.
> >>>>
> >>>> I apologize for not being clearer. This patch depends on:
> >>>>
> >>>> PCI/ACPI: Extend pci_mcfg_lookup() responsibilities
> >>>> PCI/ACPI: Check platform-specific ECAM quirks
> >>>>
> >>>> These patches from Tomasz Nowicki were previously in your pci/ecam-v6
> >>>> branch, but that seems to have come and gone. How would you like to
> >>>> proceed?
> >>>
> >>> Oh yes, that's right, I forgot that connection.  I'm afraid I kind of
> >>> dropped the ball on that thread, so I went back and read through it
> >>> again.
> >>>
> >>> I *think* the current state is:
> >>>
> >>>   - I'm OK with the first two patches that add the quirk
> >>>     infrastructure.
> >>>
> >>>   - My issue with the last three patches that add ThunderX quirks is
> >>>     that there's no generic description of the ECAM address space.
> >>>
> >>> So if I understand correctly, your Qualcomm patch depends only on the
> >>> first two patches.
> >>>
> >>> Then the question is how the Qualcomm ECAM address space is described.
> >>> Your quirk overrides the default pci_generic_ecam_ops with the
> >>> &pci_32b_ops, but it doesn't touch the address space part, so I assume
> >>> the bus ranges and corresponding address space in your MCFG is
> >>> correct.  So far, so good.
> >>
> >> Qualcomm ECAM space includes both the root port and the endpoint address
> >> space with a single contiguous 256 MB address space described in MCFG table.
> >> There is no need to describe additional resources like PNP0C02.
> > 
> > This is the crucial point I have failed to communicate clearly: the
> > PNP0C02 resource is *always* required, even if the MCFG is correct.
> > 
> 
> Interesting...
> 
> It looks like there is a lot of lessons learnt here from history.
> 
> I think this requirement is only true if your system DDR space and PCIe
> space overlaps in the memory map. I understand that Intel systems allow
> sharing of these two memory ranges. An OS could potentially reclaim this
> address range.
> 
> If there is no overlap and PCI is not enabled, there can't be any SW entity
> to reclaim this space. 

No, this isn't really anything to do with DDR/PCIe overlaps.  This is
just a fundamental part of the ACPI model: the firmware should
communicate all address space usage to the OS either via ACPI or via
standard self-describing mechanisms like PCI BARs.

You can argue that this isn't "necessary", but that's an assumption
based on your knowledge of this particular system, and we don't want
the OS to have to make that assumption.  For example, ACPI allows the
hot-addition of new ACPI devices, and we may have to assign address
space for them, and we don't want to collide with existing devices.

Bjorn

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-11-03 20:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 234+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-09 19:24 [PATCH V6 0/5] ECAM quirks handling for ARM64 platforms Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-09 19:24 ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-09 19:24 ` [PATCH V6 1/5] PCI/ACPI: Extend pci_mcfg_lookup() responsibilities Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-09 19:24   ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-09 19:24 ` [PATCH V6 2/5] PCI/ACPI: Check platform specific ECAM quirks Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-09 19:24   ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-12 22:24   ` Duc Dang
2016-09-12 22:24     ` Duc Dang
2016-09-12 22:24     ` Duc Dang
2016-09-12 22:47     ` Duc Dang
2016-09-12 22:47       ` Duc Dang
2016-09-12 22:47       ` Duc Dang
2016-09-13  5:58       ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-13  5:58         ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-13  5:58         ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-13  6:37     ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-13  6:37       ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-13  6:37       ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-13  2:36   ` Dongdong Liu
2016-09-13  2:36     ` Dongdong Liu
2016-09-13  2:36     ` Dongdong Liu
2016-09-13  6:32     ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-13  6:32       ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-13 11:38       ` Dongdong Liu
2016-09-13 11:38         ` Dongdong Liu
2016-09-13 11:38         ` Dongdong Liu
2016-09-14 12:40         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-14 12:40           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-15 10:58         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-15 10:58           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-16  9:02           ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-16  9:02             ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-16  9:02             ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-16  9:02             ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-16 12:27             ` Christopher Covington
2016-09-16 12:27               ` Christopher Covington
2016-09-16 12:27               ` Christopher Covington
2016-09-16 12:27               ` Christopher Covington
2016-09-16 13:42               ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-16 13:42                 ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-16 13:42                 ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-16 13:42                 ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-09 19:24 ` [PATCH V6 3/5] PCI: thunder-pem: Allow to probe PEM-specific register range for ACPI case Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-09 19:24   ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-19 18:09   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-19 18:09     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-20  7:23     ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-20  7:23       ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-20 13:33       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-20 13:33         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-20 13:33         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-20 13:40         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-09-20 13:40           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-09-20 13:40           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-09-20 13:40           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-09-20 14:05           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-20 14:05             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-20 14:05             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-20 14:05             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-20 15:09             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-09-20 15:09               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-09-20 15:09               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-09-20 15:09               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-09-20 19:17               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-20 19:17                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-20 19:17                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-20 19:17                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-21 14:05                 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-21 14:05                   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-21 14:05                   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-21 14:05                   ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-21 18:04                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-21 18:04                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-21 18:04                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-21 18:04                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-21 18:58                     ` Duc Dang
2016-09-21 18:58                       ` Duc Dang
2016-09-21 18:58                       ` Duc Dang
2016-09-21 18:58                       ` Duc Dang
2016-09-21 19:18                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-21 19:18                         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-21 19:18                         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-21 19:18                         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-23 10:53                         ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-23 10:53                           ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-23 10:53                           ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-23 10:53                           ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-22  9:49                     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-22  9:49                       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-22  9:49                       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-22  9:49                       ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-22 11:10                       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-22 11:10                         ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-22 11:10                         ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-22 11:10                         ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-22 12:44                         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-22 12:44                           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-22 12:44                           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-22 12:44                           ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-22 18:31                           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-22 18:31                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-22 18:31                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-22 18:31                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-22 22:10                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-22 22:10                               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-22 22:10                               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-22 22:10                               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-23 10:11                               ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-23 10:11                                 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-23 10:11                                 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-23 10:11                                 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-09-23 10:58                                 ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-23 10:58                                   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-23 10:58                                   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-23 10:58                                   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-09-14 14:06                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-09-14 14:06                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-09-14 14:06                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-09-26  8:23                                     ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-09-26  8:23                                       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-09-26  8:23                                       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2017-09-26  8:23                                       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-22 14:20                       ` Christopher Covington
2016-09-22 14:20                         ` Christopher Covington
2016-09-22 14:20                         ` Christopher Covington
2016-09-22 14:20                         ` Christopher Covington
2016-09-21 14:10                 ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-21 14:10                   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-21 14:10                   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-21 14:10                   ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-21 18:59                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-21 18:59                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-21 18:59                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-21 18:59                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-22 11:12                     ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-22 11:12                       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-22 11:12                       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-22 11:12                       ` Gabriele Paoloni
2016-09-09 19:24 ` [PATCH V6 4/5] PCI: thunder: Enable ACPI PCI controller for ThunderX pass2.x silicon version Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-09 19:24   ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-19 15:45   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-19 15:45     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-20  7:06     ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-20  7:06       ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-20 13:08       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-20 13:08         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-20 13:08         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-21  8:05         ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-21  8:05           ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-09 19:24 ` [PATCH V6 5/5] PCI: thunder: Enable ACPI PCI controller for ThunderX pass1.x " Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-09 19:24   ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-09 19:30 ` [PATCH V6 0/5] ECAM quirks handling for ARM64 platforms Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-09 19:30   ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-09-20 19:26 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-20 19:26   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-21  1:15   ` cov
2016-09-21  1:15     ` cov at codeaurora.org
2016-09-21 13:11     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-21 13:11       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-21 14:07       ` Sinan Kaya
2016-09-21 14:07         ` Sinan Kaya
2016-09-21 17:31         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-21 17:31           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-21 17:31           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-21 17:34           ` Sinan Kaya
2016-09-21 17:34             ` Sinan Kaya
2016-09-21 22:38           ` [PATCHv2] PCI: QDF2432 32 bit config space accessors Christopher Covington
2016-09-21 22:38             ` Christopher Covington
2016-10-31 21:48             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-10-31 21:48               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-11-01 13:06               ` cov
2016-11-01 13:06                 ` cov at codeaurora.org
2016-11-02 16:08                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-11-02 16:08                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-11-02 16:36                   ` Sinan Kaya
2016-11-02 16:36                     ` Sinan Kaya
2016-11-03 14:00                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-11-03 14:00                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-11-03 16:58                       ` Sinan Kaya
2016-11-03 16:58                         ` Sinan Kaya
2016-11-03 17:06                         ` Sinan Kaya
2016-11-03 17:06                           ` Sinan Kaya
2016-11-03 20:43                         ` Bjorn Helgaas [this message]
2016-11-03 20:43                           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-11-03 23:49                           ` Sinan Kaya
2016-11-03 23:49                             ` Sinan Kaya
2016-12-02  4:58                       ` Jon Masters
2016-12-02  4:58                         ` Jon Masters
2016-11-02 16:41                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-11-02 16:41                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-11-09 19:25                   ` Christopher Covington
2016-11-09 19:25                     ` Christopher Covington
2016-11-09 20:06                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-11-09 20:06                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-11-09 20:29                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-11-09 20:29                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-11-09 20:29                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-11-09 20:29                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-11-09 22:49                         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-11-09 22:49                           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-11-09 22:49                           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-11-09 22:49                           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-11-10 10:25                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-11-10 10:25                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-11-10 10:25                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-11-10 10:25                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-11-10 13:57                             ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-11-10 13:57                               ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-11-10 13:57                               ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-11-10 13:57                               ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2016-11-10 17:42                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-11-10 17:42                               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-11-10 17:42                               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-11-10 17:42                               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-12-02  5:12                               ` Jon Masters
2016-12-02  5:12                                 ` Jon Masters
2016-12-02  5:12                                 ` Jon Masters
2016-12-02  5:12                                 ` Jon Masters
2016-09-21 22:40       ` [PATCH V6 0/5] ECAM quirks handling for ARM64 platforms Christopher Covington
2016-09-21 22:40         ` Christopher Covington
2016-09-22 23:08         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-22 23:08           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-23 18:41           ` Christopher Covington
2016-09-23 18:41             ` Christopher Covington
2016-09-23 19:17             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-23 19:17               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-23 19:17               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-09-23 19:22               ` Christopher Covington
2016-09-23 19:22                 ` Christopher Covington
2016-09-28 16:44               ` Christopher Covington
2016-11-24 11:05 ` [PATCH V6 1/1] ARM64/PCI: Manage controller-specific information on the host controller basis Tomasz Nowicki
2016-11-24 11:05   ` Tomasz Nowicki
2016-11-29 23:40   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2016-11-29 23:40     ` Bjorn Helgaas

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