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From: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Matthew Wilcox <mawilcox@microsoft.com>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] mm: add vm_insert_mixed_mkwrite()
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:44:37 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170616194437.GA20742@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170615144204.GN1764@quack2.suse.cz>

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 04:42:04PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Wed 14-06-17 11:22:09, Ross Zwisler wrote:
> > To be able to use the common 4k zero page in DAX we need to have our PTE
> > fault path look more like our PMD fault path where a PTE entry can be
> > marked as dirty and writeable as it is first inserted, rather than waiting
> > for a follow-up dax_pfn_mkwrite() => finish_mkwrite_fault() call.
> > 
> > Right now we can rely on having a dax_pfn_mkwrite() call because we can
> > distinguish between these two cases in do_wp_page():
> > 
> > 	case 1: 4k zero page => writable DAX storage
> > 	case 2: read-only DAX storage => writeable DAX storage
> > 
> > This distinction is made by via vm_normal_page().  vm_normal_page() returns
> > false for the common 4k zero page, though, just as it does for DAX ptes.
> > Instead of special casing the DAX + 4k zero page case, we will simplify our
> > DAX PTE page fault sequence so that it matches our DAX PMD sequence, and
> > get rid of dax_pfn_mkwrite() completely.
> > 
> > This means that insert_pfn() needs to follow the lead of insert_pfn_pmd()
> > and allow us to pass in a 'mkwrite' flag.  If 'mkwrite' is set insert_pfn()
> > will do the work that was previously done by wp_page_reuse() as part of the
> > dax_pfn_mkwrite() call path.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>
> 
> So I agree that getting rid of dax_pfn_mkwrite() and using fault handler in
> that case is a way to go. However I somewhat dislike the
> vm_insert_mixed_mkwrite() thing - it looks like a hack - and I'm aware that
> we have a similar thing for PMD which is ugly as well. Besides being ugly
> I'm also concerned that when 'mkwrite' is set, we just silently overwrite
> whatever PTE was installed at that position. Not that I'd see how that
> could screw us for DAX but still a concern that e.g. some PTE flag could
> get discarded by this is there... In fact, for !HAVE_PTE_SPECIAL
> architectures, you will leak zero page references by just overwriting the
> PTE - for those archs you really need to unmap zero page before replacing
> PTE (and the same for PMD I suppose).
> 
> So how about some vmf_insert_pfn(vmf, pe_size, pfn) helper that would
> properly detect PTE / PMD case, read / write case etc., check that PTE did
> not change from orig_pte, and handle all the nasty details instead of
> messing with insert_pfn?
> 
> 								Honza

Sounds good, I'll figure this out for v3.

Thanks for the review!
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From: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Matthew Wilcox <mawilcox@microsoft.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] mm: add vm_insert_mixed_mkwrite()
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:44:37 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170616194437.GA20742@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170615144204.GN1764@quack2.suse.cz>

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 04:42:04PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Wed 14-06-17 11:22:09, Ross Zwisler wrote:
> > To be able to use the common 4k zero page in DAX we need to have our PTE
> > fault path look more like our PMD fault path where a PTE entry can be
> > marked as dirty and writeable as it is first inserted, rather than waiting
> > for a follow-up dax_pfn_mkwrite() => finish_mkwrite_fault() call.
> > 
> > Right now we can rely on having a dax_pfn_mkwrite() call because we can
> > distinguish between these two cases in do_wp_page():
> > 
> > 	case 1: 4k zero page => writable DAX storage
> > 	case 2: read-only DAX storage => writeable DAX storage
> > 
> > This distinction is made by via vm_normal_page().  vm_normal_page() returns
> > false for the common 4k zero page, though, just as it does for DAX ptes.
> > Instead of special casing the DAX + 4k zero page case, we will simplify our
> > DAX PTE page fault sequence so that it matches our DAX PMD sequence, and
> > get rid of dax_pfn_mkwrite() completely.
> > 
> > This means that insert_pfn() needs to follow the lead of insert_pfn_pmd()
> > and allow us to pass in a 'mkwrite' flag.  If 'mkwrite' is set insert_pfn()
> > will do the work that was previously done by wp_page_reuse() as part of the
> > dax_pfn_mkwrite() call path.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>
> 
> So I agree that getting rid of dax_pfn_mkwrite() and using fault handler in
> that case is a way to go. However I somewhat dislike the
> vm_insert_mixed_mkwrite() thing - it looks like a hack - and I'm aware that
> we have a similar thing for PMD which is ugly as well. Besides being ugly
> I'm also concerned that when 'mkwrite' is set, we just silently overwrite
> whatever PTE was installed at that position. Not that I'd see how that
> could screw us for DAX but still a concern that e.g. some PTE flag could
> get discarded by this is there... In fact, for !HAVE_PTE_SPECIAL
> architectures, you will leak zero page references by just overwriting the
> PTE - for those archs you really need to unmap zero page before replacing
> PTE (and the same for PMD I suppose).
> 
> So how about some vmf_insert_pfn(vmf, pe_size, pfn) helper that would
> properly detect PTE / PMD case, read / write case etc., check that PTE did
> not change from orig_pte, and handle all the nasty details instead of
> messing with insert_pfn?
> 
> 								Honza

Sounds good, I'll figure this out for v3.

Thanks for the review!

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From: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Matthew Wilcox <mawilcox@microsoft.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] mm: add vm_insert_mixed_mkwrite()
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:44:37 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170616194437.GA20742@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170615144204.GN1764@quack2.suse.cz>

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 04:42:04PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Wed 14-06-17 11:22:09, Ross Zwisler wrote:
> > To be able to use the common 4k zero page in DAX we need to have our PTE
> > fault path look more like our PMD fault path where a PTE entry can be
> > marked as dirty and writeable as it is first inserted, rather than waiting
> > for a follow-up dax_pfn_mkwrite() => finish_mkwrite_fault() call.
> > 
> > Right now we can rely on having a dax_pfn_mkwrite() call because we can
> > distinguish between these two cases in do_wp_page():
> > 
> > 	case 1: 4k zero page => writable DAX storage
> > 	case 2: read-only DAX storage => writeable DAX storage
> > 
> > This distinction is made by via vm_normal_page().  vm_normal_page() returns
> > false for the common 4k zero page, though, just as it does for DAX ptes.
> > Instead of special casing the DAX + 4k zero page case, we will simplify our
> > DAX PTE page fault sequence so that it matches our DAX PMD sequence, and
> > get rid of dax_pfn_mkwrite() completely.
> > 
> > This means that insert_pfn() needs to follow the lead of insert_pfn_pmd()
> > and allow us to pass in a 'mkwrite' flag.  If 'mkwrite' is set insert_pfn()
> > will do the work that was previously done by wp_page_reuse() as part of the
> > dax_pfn_mkwrite() call path.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>
> 
> So I agree that getting rid of dax_pfn_mkwrite() and using fault handler in
> that case is a way to go. However I somewhat dislike the
> vm_insert_mixed_mkwrite() thing - it looks like a hack - and I'm aware that
> we have a similar thing for PMD which is ugly as well. Besides being ugly
> I'm also concerned that when 'mkwrite' is set, we just silently overwrite
> whatever PTE was installed at that position. Not that I'd see how that
> could screw us for DAX but still a concern that e.g. some PTE flag could
> get discarded by this is there... In fact, for !HAVE_PTE_SPECIAL
> architectures, you will leak zero page references by just overwriting the
> PTE - for those archs you really need to unmap zero page before replacing
> PTE (and the same for PMD I suppose).
> 
> So how about some vmf_insert_pfn(vmf, pe_size, pfn) helper that would
> properly detect PTE / PMD case, read / write case etc., check that PTE did
> not change from orig_pte, and handle all the nasty details instead of
> messing with insert_pfn?
> 
> 								Honza

Sounds good, I'll figure this out for v3.

Thanks for the review!

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-16 19:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-14 17:22 [PATCH v2 0/3] DAX common 4k zero page Ross Zwisler
2017-06-14 17:22 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-06-14 17:22 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-06-14 17:22 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] mm: add vm_insert_mixed_mkwrite() Ross Zwisler
2017-06-14 17:22   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-06-14 17:22   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-06-15 14:42   ` Jan Kara
2017-06-15 14:42     ` Jan Kara
2017-06-15 14:42     ` Jan Kara
2017-06-16 19:44     ` Ross Zwisler [this message]
2017-06-16 19:44       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-06-16 19:44       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-06-17  4:09     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-06-17  4:09       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-06-17  4:09       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-06-23 15:25       ` Jan Kara
2017-06-23 15:25         ` Jan Kara
2017-06-23 15:25         ` Jan Kara
2017-06-14 17:22 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] dax: relocate dax_load_hole() Ross Zwisler
2017-06-14 17:22   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-06-14 17:22   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-06-14 17:22   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-06-14 17:22 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] dax: use common 4k zero page for dax mmap reads Ross Zwisler
2017-06-14 17:22   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-06-14 17:22   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-06-14 17:22   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-06-15 14:58   ` Jan Kara
2017-06-15 14:58     ` Jan Kara
2017-06-15 14:58     ` Jan Kara
2017-06-15 14:58     ` Jan Kara
2017-06-16 19:45     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-06-16 19:45       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-06-16 19:45       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-06-16 19:45       ` Ross Zwisler

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