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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
Cc: Christoffer Dall <cdall@linaro.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, arnd@arndb.de,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, christoffer.dall@linaro.org,
	Dave.Martin@arm.com, jiong.wang@arm.com,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	marc.zyngier@arm.com, suzuki.poulose@arm.com, yao.qi@arm.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/11] arm64/kvm: context-switch ptrauth registers
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 15:32:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170801143227.GC11534@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170801142603.GE9347@leverpostej>

On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 03:26:07PM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 01:00:14PM +0200, Christoffer Dall wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 05:01:31PM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > > When pointer authentication is supported, a guest may wish to use it.
> > > This patch adds the necessary KVM infrastructure for this to work, with
> > > a semi-lazy context switch of the pointer auth state.
> > > 
> > > When we schedule a vcpu, we disable guest usage of pointer
> > > authentication instructions and accesses to the keys. While these are
> > > disabled, we avoid context-switching the keys. When we trap the guest
> > > trying to use pointer authentication functionality, we change to eagerly
> > > context-switching the keys, and enable the feature. The next time the
> > > vcpu is scheduled out/in, we start again.
> > > 
> > > This is sufficient for systems with uniform pointer authentication
> > > support. For systems with mismatched support, it will be necessary to
> > 
> > What is mismatched support?  You mean systems where one CPU has ptrauth
> > and another one doesn't (or if they both have it but in different ways)?
> 
> Both! Any case where the support is not uniform across all CPUs.
> 
> A CPU can implement address auth and/or generic auth, and either may use
> an architected algorithm or an IMP DEF algorithm.
> 
> Even if all CPUs report an IMP DEF algorithm, the particular algorithm
> may differ across CPUs.

I know you don't like it, but I think we should resort to MIDR at that point
because otherwise IMP DEF algorithms will never be used by Linux and people
will complain.

Will

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: will.deacon@arm.com (Will Deacon)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 10/11] arm64/kvm: context-switch ptrauth registers
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 15:32:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170801143227.GC11534@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170801142603.GE9347@leverpostej>

On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 03:26:07PM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 01:00:14PM +0200, Christoffer Dall wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 05:01:31PM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > > When pointer authentication is supported, a guest may wish to use it.
> > > This patch adds the necessary KVM infrastructure for this to work, with
> > > a semi-lazy context switch of the pointer auth state.
> > > 
> > > When we schedule a vcpu, we disable guest usage of pointer
> > > authentication instructions and accesses to the keys. While these are
> > > disabled, we avoid context-switching the keys. When we trap the guest
> > > trying to use pointer authentication functionality, we change to eagerly
> > > context-switching the keys, and enable the feature. The next time the
> > > vcpu is scheduled out/in, we start again.
> > > 
> > > This is sufficient for systems with uniform pointer authentication
> > > support. For systems with mismatched support, it will be necessary to
> > 
> > What is mismatched support?  You mean systems where one CPU has ptrauth
> > and another one doesn't (or if they both have it but in different ways)?
> 
> Both! Any case where the support is not uniform across all CPUs.
> 
> A CPU can implement address auth and/or generic auth, and either may use
> an architected algorithm or an IMP DEF algorithm.
> 
> Even if all CPUs report an IMP DEF algorithm, the particular algorithm
> may differ across CPUs.

I know you don't like it, but I think we should resort to MIDR at that point
because otherwise IMP DEF algorithms will never be used by Linux and people
will complain.

Will

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
Cc: Christoffer Dall <cdall@linaro.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, arnd@arndb.de,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, christoffer.dall@linaro.org,
	Dave.Martin@arm.com, jiong.wang@arm.com,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	marc.zyngier@arm.com, suzuki.poulose@arm.com, yao.qi@arm.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH 10/11] arm64/kvm: context-switch ptrauth registers
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 15:32:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170801143227.GC11534@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170801142603.GE9347@leverpostej>

On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 03:26:07PM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 01:00:14PM +0200, Christoffer Dall wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 05:01:31PM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > > When pointer authentication is supported, a guest may wish to use it.
> > > This patch adds the necessary KVM infrastructure for this to work, with
> > > a semi-lazy context switch of the pointer auth state.
> > > 
> > > When we schedule a vcpu, we disable guest usage of pointer
> > > authentication instructions and accesses to the keys. While these are
> > > disabled, we avoid context-switching the keys. When we trap the guest
> > > trying to use pointer authentication functionality, we change to eagerly
> > > context-switching the keys, and enable the feature. The next time the
> > > vcpu is scheduled out/in, we start again.
> > > 
> > > This is sufficient for systems with uniform pointer authentication
> > > support. For systems with mismatched support, it will be necessary to
> > 
> > What is mismatched support?  You mean systems where one CPU has ptrauth
> > and another one doesn't (or if they both have it but in different ways)?
> 
> Both! Any case where the support is not uniform across all CPUs.
> 
> A CPU can implement address auth and/or generic auth, and either may use
> an architected algorithm or an IMP DEF algorithm.
> 
> Even if all CPUs report an IMP DEF algorithm, the particular algorithm
> may differ across CPUs.

I know you don't like it, but I think we should resort to MIDR at that point
because otherwise IMP DEF algorithms will never be used by Linux and people
will complain.

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-01 14:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-19 16:01 [PATCH 00/11] ARMv8.3 pointer authentication userspace support Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01 ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01 ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01 ` [PATCH 01/11] arm64: docs: describe ELF hwcaps Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-21 17:05   ` Dave Martin
2017-07-21 17:05     ` [kernel-hardening] " Dave Martin
2017-07-21 17:05     ` Dave Martin
2017-07-21 17:05     ` Dave Martin
2017-07-24 10:47     ` Suzuki K Poulose
2017-07-24 10:47       ` [kernel-hardening] " Suzuki K Poulose
2017-07-24 10:47       ` Suzuki K Poulose
2017-08-03 14:49   ` Catalin Marinas
2017-08-03 14:49     ` [kernel-hardening] " Catalin Marinas
2017-08-03 14:49     ` Catalin Marinas
2017-08-03 17:57   ` Kees Cook
2017-08-03 17:57     ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2017-08-03 17:57     ` Kees Cook
2017-08-03 17:57     ` Kees Cook
2017-07-19 16:01 ` [PATCH 02/11] asm-generic: mm_hooks: allow hooks to be overridden individually Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01 ` [PATCH 03/11] arm64: add pointer authentication register bits Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01 ` [PATCH 04/11] arm64/cpufeature: add ARMv8.3 id_aa64isar1 bits Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-24 10:54   ` Suzuki K Poulose
2017-07-24 10:54     ` [kernel-hardening] " Suzuki K Poulose
2017-07-24 10:54     ` Suzuki K Poulose
2017-07-19 16:01 ` [PATCH 05/11] arm64/cpufeature: detect pointer authentication Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01 ` [PATCH 06/11] arm64: Don't trap host pointer auth use to EL2 Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-24 10:37   ` Dave Martin
2017-07-24 10:37     ` [kernel-hardening] " Dave Martin
2017-07-24 10:37     ` Dave Martin
2017-07-19 16:01 ` [PATCH 07/11] arm64: add basic pointer authentication support Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-25 15:26   ` Dave Martin
2017-07-25 15:26     ` [kernel-hardening] " Dave Martin
2017-07-25 15:26     ` Dave Martin
2017-07-25 15:26     ` Dave Martin
2017-08-11  7:46   ` Yao Qi
2017-08-11  7:46     ` [kernel-hardening] " Yao Qi
2017-08-11  7:46     ` Yao Qi
2017-08-11  8:45     ` Dave Martin
2017-08-11  8:45       ` [kernel-hardening] " Dave Martin
2017-08-11  8:45       ` Dave Martin
2017-08-11  8:45       ` Dave Martin
2017-07-19 16:01 ` [PATCH 08/11] arm64: expose user PAC bit positions via ptrace Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01 ` [PATCH 09/11] arm64/kvm: preserve host HCR_EL2 value Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-08-01 11:00   ` Christoffer Dall
2017-08-01 11:00     ` [kernel-hardening] " Christoffer Dall
2017-08-01 11:00     ` Christoffer Dall
2017-08-01 11:00     ` Christoffer Dall
2017-07-19 16:01 ` [PATCH 10/11] arm64/kvm: context-switch ptrauth registers Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-08-01 11:00   ` Christoffer Dall
2017-08-01 11:00     ` [kernel-hardening] " Christoffer Dall
2017-08-01 11:00     ` Christoffer Dall
2017-08-01 11:00     ` Christoffer Dall
2017-08-01 14:26     ` Mark Rutland
2017-08-01 14:26       ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-08-01 14:26       ` Mark Rutland
2017-08-01 14:32       ` Will Deacon [this message]
2017-08-01 14:32         ` [kernel-hardening] " Will Deacon
2017-08-01 14:32         ` Will Deacon
2017-08-01 17:02       ` Christoffer Dall
2017-08-01 17:02         ` [kernel-hardening] " Christoffer Dall
2017-08-01 17:02         ` Christoffer Dall
2017-07-19 16:01 ` [PATCH 11/11] arm64: docs: document pointer authentication Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-19 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-21 17:05 ` [PATCH 00/11] ARMv8.3 pointer authentication userspace support Dave Martin
2017-07-21 17:05   ` [kernel-hardening] " Dave Martin
2017-07-21 17:05   ` Dave Martin
2017-07-21 17:05   ` Dave Martin
2017-07-25 12:06   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-25 12:06     ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-07-25 12:06     ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-25 14:00     ` Jiong Wang
2017-07-25 14:00       ` [kernel-hardening] " Jiong Wang
2017-07-25 14:00       ` Jiong Wang
2017-07-25 14:00       ` Jiong Wang
2017-08-11 11:29     ` Mark Rutland
2017-08-11 11:29       ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-08-11 11:29       ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-24 11:52 ` Yao Qi
2017-07-24 11:52   ` [kernel-hardening] " Yao Qi
2017-07-24 11:52   ` Yao Qi
2017-07-25 11:32 ` Yao Qi
2017-07-25 11:32   ` [kernel-hardening] " Yao Qi
2017-07-25 11:32   ` Yao Qi
2017-07-25 16:01   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-25 16:01     ` [kernel-hardening] " Mark Rutland
2017-07-25 16:01     ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-25 14:12 ` [kernel-hardening] " Li Kun
2017-07-25 14:12   ` Li Kun
2017-07-25 14:12   ` Li Kun
2017-07-25 14:12   ` Li Kun
2017-07-25 15:12   ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-25 15:12     ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-25 15:12     ` Mark Rutland
2017-07-25 15:12     ` Mark Rutland

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