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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
To: Peter Huewe <peterhuewe@gmx.de>
Cc: Nayna Jain <nayna@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	tpmdd-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, tpmdd@selhorst.net,
	jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ima-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, patrickc@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tpm: improve tpm_tis send() performance by ignoring burstcount
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 22:11:45 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170808191145.kggmoczd5laiccrn@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E37DFCB0-2E74-45F6-B2DF-70EF59F310BC@gmx.de>

On Mon, Aug 07, 2017 at 01:52:34PM +0200, Peter Huewe wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 7. August 2017 13:46:32 MESZ schrieb Nayna Jain <nayna@linux.vnet.ibm.com>:
> >The TPM burstcount status indicates the number of bytes that can
> >be sent to the TPM without causing bus wait states.  Effectively,
> >it is the number of empty bytes in the command FIFO. Further,
> >some TPMs have a static burstcount, when the value remains zero
> >until the entire FIFO is empty.
> >
> >This patch ignores burstcount, permitting wait states, and thus
> >writes the command as fast as the TPM can accept the bytes.
> >The performance of a 34 byte extend on a TPM 1.2 improved from
> >52 msec to 11 msec.
> >
> >Suggested-by: Ken Goldman <kgold@linux.vnet.ibm.com> in
> >conjunction with the TPM Device Driver work group.
> >Signed-off-by: Nayna Jain <nayna@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> >Acked-by: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> 
> Are you sure this is a good idea?
> On lpc systems this more or less stalls the bus, including keyboard/mouse (if connected via superio lpc).
> 
> On which systems have you tested this?
> Spi/Lpc? Architecture?
> 
> This might not be noticable for small transfers, but think about much larger transfers....
> 
> Imho: NACK from my side.
> 
> Thanks,
> Peter

Thanks Peter, a great insight. TPM could share the bus with other
devices. Even if this optimizes the performace for TPM it might cause
performance issues elsewhere.

One more viewpoint: TCG must added the burst count for a reason (might
be very well related what Peter said). Is ignoring it something that TCG
recommends? Not following standard exactly in the driver code sometimes
makes sense on *small details* but I would not say that this a small
detail...

After these viewpoints definitive NACK from my side too...

/Jarkko

/Jarkko

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com (Jarkko Sakkinen)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [PATCH] tpm: improve tpm_tis send() performance by ignoring burstcount
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2017 22:11:45 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170808191145.kggmoczd5laiccrn@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E37DFCB0-2E74-45F6-B2DF-70EF59F310BC@gmx.de>

On Mon, Aug 07, 2017 at 01:52:34PM +0200, Peter Huewe wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 7. August 2017 13:46:32 MESZ schrieb Nayna Jain <nayna@linux.vnet.ibm.com>:
> >The TPM burstcount status indicates the number of bytes that can
> >be sent to the TPM without causing bus wait states.  Effectively,
> >it is the number of empty bytes in the command FIFO. Further,
> >some TPMs have a static burstcount, when the value remains zero
> >until the entire FIFO is empty.
> >
> >This patch ignores burstcount, permitting wait states, and thus
> >writes the command as fast as the TPM can accept the bytes.
> >The performance of a 34 byte extend on a TPM 1.2 improved from
> >52 msec to 11 msec.
> >
> >Suggested-by: Ken Goldman <kgold@linux.vnet.ibm.com> in
> >conjunction with the TPM Device Driver work group.
> >Signed-off-by: Nayna Jain <nayna@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> >Acked-by: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> 
> Are you sure this is a good idea?
> On lpc systems this more or less stalls the bus, including keyboard/mouse (if connected via superio lpc).
> 
> On which systems have you tested this?
> Spi/Lpc? Architecture?
> 
> This might not be noticable for small transfers, but think about much larger transfers....
> 
> Imho: NACK from my side.
> 
> Thanks,
> Peter

Thanks Peter, a great insight. TPM could share the bus with other
devices. Even if this optimizes the performace for TPM it might cause
performance issues elsewhere.

One more viewpoint: TCG must added the burst count for a reason (might
be very well related what Peter said). Is ignoring it something that TCG
recommends? Not following standard exactly in the driver code sometimes
makes sense on *small details* but I would not say that this a small
detail...

After these viewpoints definitive NACK from my side too...

/Jarkko

/Jarkko
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-08-08 19:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-07 11:46 [PATCH] tpm: improve tpm_tis send() performance by ignoring burstcount Nayna Jain
2017-08-07 11:46 ` Nayna Jain
2017-08-07 11:52 ` Peter Huewe
2017-08-07 11:52   ` Peter Huewe
2017-08-07 14:25   ` Nayna
2017-08-07 14:25     ` Nayna
2017-08-08 21:50     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-08-08 21:50       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-08-08 19:11   ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2017-08-08 19:11     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-08-09 20:23     ` [tpmdd-devel] " Ken Goldman
2017-08-09 20:23       ` Ken Goldman
2017-08-09 20:23       ` Ken Goldman
2017-08-09 20:43       ` Aw: " Peter Huewe
2017-08-09 20:43         ` Peter Huewe
2017-08-11 21:54         ` Ken Goldman
2017-08-11 21:54           ` Ken Goldman
2017-08-11 21:54           ` Ken Goldman
     [not found]           ` <20170814101046.5hqrkaqmfvl7ugwj@linux.intel.com>
2017-08-16 19:51             ` Ken Goldman
2017-08-16 19:51               ` Ken Goldman
2017-08-16 19:51               ` Ken Goldman
2017-08-09 20:25     ` Ken Goldman
2017-08-09 20:25       ` Ken Goldman
2017-08-09 20:25       ` Ken Goldman
2017-08-09 21:00       ` Aw: " Peter Huewe
2017-08-09 21:00         ` Peter Huewe
2017-08-11 11:14         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-08-11 11:14           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-08-11 15:30           ` Mimi Zohar
2017-08-11 15:30             ` Mimi Zohar
2017-08-14 10:51             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-08-14 10:51               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-08-14 10:56               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-08-14 10:56                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-08-14 12:03                 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-08-14 12:03                   ` Mimi Zohar
2017-08-15  6:08                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-08-15  6:08                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-08-14 12:12                 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-08-14 12:12                   ` Mimi Zohar
2017-08-15  6:09                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-08-15  6:09                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-08-11 21:32         ` Aw: " Ken Goldman
2017-08-11 21:32           ` Ken Goldman
2017-08-11 21:32           ` Ken Goldman
2017-08-13 23:53           ` msuchanek
2017-08-13 23:53             ` msuchanek
2017-08-15 22:02             ` Ken Goldman
2017-08-15 22:02               ` Ken Goldman
2017-08-15 22:02               ` Ken Goldman
2017-08-16 10:24               ` Michal Suchánek
2017-08-16 10:24                 ` Michal Suchánek
2017-08-11 21:42       ` [Linux-ima-devel] " Ken Goldman
2017-08-11 21:42         ` Ken Goldman
2017-08-11 21:42         ` Ken Goldman
2017-08-08 19:07 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-08-08 19:07   ` Jarkko Sakkinen

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