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From: Dan Williams <dcbw@redhat.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Kalle Valo <kvalo@kernel.org>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>,
	Nicolas Ferre <nicolas.ferre@microchip.com>,
	Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>,
	Claudiu Beznea <claudiu.beznea@tuxon.dev>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,  linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	 linux-staging@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [RFC] wireless: move obsolete drivers to staging
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 11:18:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2017087fd471048ff1edb6e57e61883b4ae084be.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <63e57ef8-c9f2-489a-8df8-51dcffd437c6@app.fastmail.com>

On Thu, 2023-10-12 at 16:36 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023, at 13:47, Kalle Valo wrote:
> > 
> > Is anyone willing to submit patches? Use wireless-next as the
> > baseline
> > for patches and one driver per commit, please. That way it's easy
> > to
> > revert later, if needed (hopefully not).
> 
> I can do it, I've already done most of the work for moving the
> drivers, so I just need to split up my existing patch and leave out
> the bits that get added to drivers/staging.
> 
> I'll also send Greg a patch to remove rtl8192u now that we know
> that this has been broken for 7 years. Similarly, I'd include
> another patch to remove PCMCIA support for libertas, as that
> would otherwise be the only remaining 16-bit PCMCIA wlan card,
> and I could find no indication of this one ever being popular,
> unlike the USB/SDIO/SPI variants of the same device or the
> other PCMCIA drivers.

This was only for CF cards of which there were a couple; I still have
cards but don't have a machine with CF anymore. USB/SDIO/SPI (as you
point out) have much higher usage.

ACK from me (if my historical libertas involvement counts for anything)
on removing Libertas CF support.

Dan

> 
> This would leave only a handful of wext implementations in the
> tree: ipw2x00, ps3-gelic-wireless, staging/rtl8712, staging/rtl8192e
> and staging/ks7010. Since ipw2x00 is apparently still supported
> in theory and was rather popular on Pentium-M based systems 20
> years ago, this may still need to be converted to cfg80211
> before you can remove support for wext style drivers altogether.
> ps3-gelic-wireless and rtl8712 are also still maintained but have
> a much smaller user base I assume.
> 
>       Arnd
> 


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From: Dan Williams <dcbw@redhat.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Kalle Valo <kvalo@kernel.org>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>,
	Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	linux-staging@lists.linux.dev, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
	Claudiu Beznea <claudiu.beznea@tuxon.dev>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [RFC] wireless: move obsolete drivers to staging
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 11:18:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2017087fd471048ff1edb6e57e61883b4ae084be.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <63e57ef8-c9f2-489a-8df8-51dcffd437c6@app.fastmail.com>

On Thu, 2023-10-12 at 16:36 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023, at 13:47, Kalle Valo wrote:
> > 
> > Is anyone willing to submit patches? Use wireless-next as the
> > baseline
> > for patches and one driver per commit, please. That way it's easy
> > to
> > revert later, if needed (hopefully not).
> 
> I can do it, I've already done most of the work for moving the
> drivers, so I just need to split up my existing patch and leave out
> the bits that get added to drivers/staging.
> 
> I'll also send Greg a patch to remove rtl8192u now that we know
> that this has been broken for 7 years. Similarly, I'd include
> another patch to remove PCMCIA support for libertas, as that
> would otherwise be the only remaining 16-bit PCMCIA wlan card,
> and I could find no indication of this one ever being popular,
> unlike the USB/SDIO/SPI variants of the same device or the
> other PCMCIA drivers.

This was only for CF cards of which there were a couple; I still have
cards but don't have a machine with CF anymore. USB/SDIO/SPI (as you
point out) have much higher usage.

ACK from me (if my historical libertas involvement counts for anything)
on removing Libertas CF support.

Dan

> 
> This would leave only a handful of wext implementations in the
> tree: ipw2x00, ps3-gelic-wireless, staging/rtl8712, staging/rtl8192e
> and staging/ks7010. Since ipw2x00 is apparently still supported
> in theory and was rather popular on Pentium-M based systems 20
> years ago, this may still need to be converted to cfg80211
> before you can remove support for wext style drivers altogether.
> ps3-gelic-wireless and rtl8712 are also still maintained but have
> a much smaller user base I assume.
> 
>       Arnd
> 


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-10-12 16:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-10 15:27 [PATCH] [RFC] wireless: move obsolete drivers to staging Arnd Bergmann
2023-10-10 15:27 ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-10-10 16:08 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-10-10 16:08   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-10-11  5:40   ` Kalle Valo
2023-10-11  5:40     ` Kalle Valo
2023-10-11  6:16     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-10-11  6:16       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-10-11  7:29       ` Kalle Valo
2023-10-11  7:29         ` Kalle Valo
2023-10-11 15:09         ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-11 15:09           ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-12 11:47           ` Kalle Valo
2023-10-12 11:47             ` Kalle Valo
2023-10-12 14:36             ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-10-12 14:36               ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-10-12 14:48               ` Kalle Valo
2023-10-12 14:48                 ` Kalle Valo
2023-10-12 15:11                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-10-12 15:11                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-10-12 15:11                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-10-12 15:28               ` Johannes Berg
2023-10-12 15:28                 ` Johannes Berg
2023-10-12 15:28                 ` Johannes Berg
2023-10-12 15:39                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-10-12 15:39                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-10-12 15:39                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-10-12 15:41                   ` Johannes Berg
2023-10-12 15:41                     ` Johannes Berg
2023-10-12 15:41                     ` Johannes Berg
2023-10-12 16:36                     ` Geoff Levand
2023-10-12 16:36                       ` Geoff Levand
2023-10-12 16:36                       ` Geoff Levand
2023-10-13 15:44                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-10-13 15:44                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-10-13 15:44                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-10-13 18:02                         ` Johannes Berg
2023-10-13 18:02                           ` Johannes Berg
2023-10-13 18:02                           ` Johannes Berg
2023-10-18 20:37                           ` Jeff Johnson
2023-10-18 20:37                             ` Jeff Johnson
2023-10-18 20:37                             ` Jeff Johnson
2023-10-12 16:16               ` Philipp Hortmann
2023-10-12 16:16                 ` Philipp Hortmann
2023-10-12 16:18               ` Dan Williams [this message]
2023-10-12 16:18                 ` Dan Williams
2023-10-11  7:24     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-10-11  7:24       ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-10-11  7:41       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-10-11  7:41         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-10-11  8:44       ` Kalle Valo
2023-10-11  8:44         ` Kalle Valo
2023-10-11  9:01         ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-10-11  9:01           ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-10-11 18:13 ` Philipp Hortmann
2023-10-11 18:13   ` Philipp Hortmann
2023-10-11 20:22   ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-10-11 20:22     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-10-12  6:23     ` Dan Carpenter
2023-10-12  6:23       ` Dan Carpenter
2023-10-13  6:42 ` Philipp Hortmann
2023-10-13  6:42   ` Philipp Hortmann
2023-10-13 15:36   ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-10-13 15:36     ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-10-13 16:24     ` Larry Finger
2023-10-13 16:24       ` Larry Finger
2023-10-15 18:42     ` Philipp Hortmann
2023-10-15 18:42       ` Philipp Hortmann
2023-10-18 16:05       ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-10-18 16:05         ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-10-13 11:43 ` kernel test robot

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