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From: Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.ws>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
	"Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo" <acme@kernel.org>,
	"Casey Schaufler" <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"David Drysdale" <drysdale@google.com>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Eric W . Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	"James Morris" <james.l.morris@oracle.com>,
	"Jann Horn" <jann@thejh.net>, "Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Michael Kerrisk" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	"Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"Paul Moore" <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	"Sargun Dhillon" <sargun@sargun.me>,
	"Serge E . Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	"Shuah Khan" <shuah@kernel.org>, "Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Graf" <tgraf@suug.ch>, "Will Drewry" <wad@chromium.org>,
	"Kernel Hardening" <kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
	"Linux API" <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	"LSM List" <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Network Development" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v8 00/11] Landlock LSM: Toward unprivileged sandboxing
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 15:46:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180306224636.wf5z3kujtc7r5qyh@cisco> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrUQYp0ta4tLgUWJ79pZVwp3WRY7cp-XaPcn1WyTc=wZyg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 06, 2018 at 10:33:17PM +0000, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> Suppose I'm writing a container manager.  I want to run "mount" in the
> >> container, but I don't want to allow moun() in general and I want to
> >> emulate certain mount() actions.  I can write a filter that catches
> >> mount using seccomp and calls out to the container manager for help.
> >> This isn't theoretical -- Tycho wants *exactly* this use case to be
> >> supported.
> >
> > Well, I think this use case should be handled with something like
> > LD_PRELOAD and a helper library. FYI, I did something like this:
> > https://github.com/stemjail/stemshim
> 
> I doubt that will work for containers.  Containers that use user
> namespaces and, for example, setuid programs aren't going to honor
> LD_PRELOAD.

Or anything that calls syscalls directly, like go programs.

Tycho

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From: Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.ws>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
	"Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo" <acme@kernel.org>,
	"Casey Schaufler" <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"David Drysdale" <drysdale@google.com>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Eric W . Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	"James Morris" <james.l.morris@oracle.com>,
	"Jann Horn" <jann@thejh.net>, "Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Michael Kerrisk" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	"Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"Paul Moore" <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	"Sargun Dhillon" <sargun@sargun.me>,
	"Serge E . Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	"Shuah Khan" <shuah@kernel.org>, "Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Graf" <tgraf@suug.ch>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v8 00/11] Landlock LSM: Toward unprivileged sandboxing
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 15:46:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180306224636.wf5z3kujtc7r5qyh@cisco> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrUQYp0ta4tLgUWJ79pZVwp3WRY7cp-XaPcn1WyTc=wZyg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 06, 2018 at 10:33:17PM +0000, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> Suppose I'm writing a container manager.  I want to run "mount" in the
> >> container, but I don't want to allow moun() in general and I want to
> >> emulate certain mount() actions.  I can write a filter that catches
> >> mount using seccomp and calls out to the container manager for help.
> >> This isn't theoretical -- Tycho wants *exactly* this use case to be
> >> supported.
> >
> > Well, I think this use case should be handled with something like
> > LD_PRELOAD and a helper library. FYI, I did something like this:
> > https://github.com/stemjail/stemshim
> 
> I doubt that will work for containers.  Containers that use user
> namespaces and, for example, setuid programs aren't going to honor
> LD_PRELOAD.

Or anything that calls syscalls directly, like go programs.

Tycho

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: tycho@tycho.ws (Tycho Andersen)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [PATCH bpf-next v8 00/11] Landlock LSM: Toward unprivileged sandboxing
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 15:46:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180306224636.wf5z3kujtc7r5qyh@cisco> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrUQYp0ta4tLgUWJ79pZVwp3WRY7cp-XaPcn1WyTc=wZyg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 06, 2018 at 10:33:17PM +0000, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> Suppose I'm writing a container manager.  I want to run "mount" in the
> >> container, but I don't want to allow moun() in general and I want to
> >> emulate certain mount() actions.  I can write a filter that catches
> >> mount using seccomp and calls out to the container manager for help.
> >> This isn't theoretical -- Tycho wants *exactly* this use case to be
> >> supported.
> >
> > Well, I think this use case should be handled with something like
> > LD_PRELOAD and a helper library. FYI, I did something like this:
> > https://github.com/stemjail/stemshim
> 
> I doubt that will work for containers.  Containers that use user
> namespaces and, for example, setuid programs aren't going to honor
> LD_PRELOAD.

Or anything that calls syscalls directly, like go programs.

Tycho
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Thread overview: 191+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-27  0:41 [PATCH bpf-next v8 00/11] Landlock LSM: Toward unprivileged sandboxing Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 01/11] fs,security: Add a security blob to nameidata Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 01/11] fs, security: " Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 01/11] fs,security: " Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:57   ` Al Viro
2018-02-27  0:57     ` Al Viro
2018-02-27  0:57     ` Al Viro
2018-02-27  0:57     ` Al Viro
2018-02-27  0:57     ` Al Viro
2018-02-27  1:23     ` Al Viro
2018-02-27  1:23       ` Al Viro
2018-02-27  1:23       ` Al Viro
2018-02-27  1:23       ` Al Viro
2018-02-27  1:23       ` Al Viro
2018-03-11 20:14       ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-03-11 20:14         ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-03-11 20:14         ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-28 16:27   ` kbuild test robot
2018-02-28 16:27     ` kbuild test robot
2018-02-28 16:27     ` kbuild test robot
2018-02-28 16:27     ` kbuild test robot
2018-02-28 16:27     ` kbuild test robot
2018-02-28 16:27     ` kbuild test robot
2018-02-28 16:58   ` kbuild test robot
2018-02-28 16:58     ` kbuild test robot
2018-02-28 16:58     ` kbuild test robot
2018-02-28 16:58     ` kbuild test robot
2018-02-28 16:58     ` kbuild test robot
2018-02-28 16:58     ` kbuild test robot
2018-02-27  0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 02/11] fs,security: Add a new file access type: MAY_CHROOT Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 02/11] fs, security: " Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 02/11] fs,security: " Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 03/11] bpf: Add eBPF program subtype and is_valid_subtype() verifier Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 04/11] bpf,landlock: Define an eBPF program type for Landlock hooks Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 04/11] bpf, landlock: " Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 04/11] bpf,landlock: " Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 05/11] seccomp,landlock: Enforce Landlock programs per process hierarchy Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 05/11] seccomp, landlock: " Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 05/11] seccomp,landlock: " Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  2:08   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-27  2:08     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-27  2:08     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-27  2:08     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-27  4:40     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27  4:40       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27  4:40       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27  4:54       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-27  4:54         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-27  4:54         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-27  5:20         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27  5:20           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27  5:20           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27  5:32           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-27  5:32             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-27  5:32             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-02-27 16:39             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 16:39               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 16:39               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 17:30               ` Casey Schaufler
2018-02-27 17:30                 ` Casey Schaufler
2018-02-27 17:30                 ` Casey Schaufler
2018-02-27 17:36                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 17:36                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 17:36                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 18:03                   ` Casey Schaufler
2018-02-27 18:03                     ` Casey Schaufler
2018-02-27 18:03                     ` Casey Schaufler
2018-02-27 21:48               ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 21:48                 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 21:48                 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-08 13:13                 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-08 13:13                   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-08 13:13                   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-08 21:06                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-04-08 21:06                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-04-08 21:06                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-04-08 21:06                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-04-08 22:01                     ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-08 22:01                       ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-08 22:01                       ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-10  4:48                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-04-10  4:48                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-04-10  4:48                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-04-10  4:48                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-04-10  4:48                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-04-11 22:18                         ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-11 22:18                           ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-11 22:18                           ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 06/11] bpf,landlock: Add a new map type: inode Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-28 17:35   ` kbuild test robot
2018-02-28 17:35     ` kbuild test robot
2018-02-28 17:35     ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 06/11] bpf, landlock: " kbuild test robot
2018-02-28 17:35     ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 06/11] bpf,landlock: " kbuild test robot
2018-02-28 17:35     ` kbuild test robot
2018-02-27  0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 07/11] landlock: Handle filesystem access control Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 08/11] landlock: Add ptrace restrictions Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  4:17   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27  4:17     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27  4:17     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27  4:17     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27  5:01     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27  5:01       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27  5:01       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27  5:01       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 22:14       ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 22:14         ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 22:14         ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 23:02         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 23:02           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 23:02           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 23:02           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 23:23           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 23:23             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 23:23             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-28  0:00             ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-28  0:00               ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-28  0:00               ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-28  0:09               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-28  0:09                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-28  0:09                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-28  0:09                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-06 22:28                 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-03-06 22:28                   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-03-06 22:28                   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-01 22:48                   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-01 22:48                     ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-01 22:48                     ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 22:18     ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 22:18       ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 22:18       ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 09/11] bpf: Add a Landlock sandbox example Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 10/11] bpf,landlock: Add tests for Landlock Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 11/11] landlock: Add user and kernel documentation " Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  0:41   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27  4:36 ` [PATCH bpf-next v8 00/11] Landlock LSM: Toward unprivileged sandboxing Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27  4:36   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27  4:36   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27  4:36   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 22:03   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 22:03     ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 22:03     ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-02-27 23:09     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 23:09       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 23:09       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-02-27 23:09       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-06 22:25       ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-03-06 22:25         ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-03-06 22:25         ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-03-06 22:33         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-06 22:33           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-06 22:33           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-06 22:33           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-06 22:46           ` Tycho Andersen [this message]
2018-03-06 22:46             ` Tycho Andersen
2018-03-06 22:46             ` Tycho Andersen
2018-03-06 23:06             ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-03-06 23:06               ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-03-06 23:06               ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-03-07  1:21               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-07  1:21                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-07  1:21                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-07  1:21                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-08 23:51                 ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-03-08 23:51                   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-03-08 23:51                   ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-03-08 23:53                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-08 23:53                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-08 23:53                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-03-08 23:53                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-04-01 22:04                     ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-01 22:04                       ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-01 22:04                       ` Mickaël Salaün
2018-04-02  0:39                       ` Tycho Andersen
2018-04-02  0:39                         ` Tycho Andersen
2018-04-02  0:39                         ` Tycho Andersen
2018-04-02  0:39                         ` Tycho Andersen

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