From: Richard Guy Briggs <rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Paul Moore <paul-r2n+y4ga6xFZroRs9YW3xA@public.gmane.org>
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linux-audit-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
"Eric W. Biederman"
<ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
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linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Eric Paris <eparis-FjpueFixGhCM4zKIHC2jIg@public.gmane.org>,
Steve Grubb <sgrubb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 13/13] debug audit: read container ID of a process
Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 13:35:41 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180522173541.slcdszumi7q6c4id@madcap2.tricolour.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhQruN88t-R9Qo3e4hwCZ58RAyrmEmH1nY4RR6NZaiBzGQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
On 2018-05-21 16:06, Paul Moore wrote:
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 3:19 PM, Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > Steve Grubb <sgrubb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> writes:
> >> On Friday, March 16, 2018 5:00:40 AM EDT Richard Guy Briggs wrote:
> >>> Add support for reading the container ID from the proc filesystem.
> >>
> >> I think this could be useful in general. Please consider this to be part of
> >> the full patch set and not something merely used to debug the patches.
> >
> > Only with an audit specific name.
> >
> > As it is:
> >
> > Nacked-by: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
> >
> > The truth is the containerid name really stinks and is quite confusing
> > and does not imply that the label applies only to audit. And little
> > things like this make me extremely uncofortable with it.
>
> It also makes the audit container ID (notice how I *always* call it
> the *audit* container ID? that is not an accident) available for
> userspace applications to abuse. Perhaps in the future we can look at
> ways to make this more available to applications, but this patch is
> not the answer.
Do you have a productive suggestion?
> paul moore
- RGB
--
Richard Guy Briggs <rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Sr. S/W Engineer, Kernel Security, Base Operating Systems
Remote, Ottawa, Red Hat Canada
IRC: rgb, SunRaycer
Voice: +1.647.777.2635, Internal: (81) 32635
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From: Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com>
To: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
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containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
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Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 13/13] debug audit: read container ID of a process
Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 13:35:41 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180522173541.slcdszumi7q6c4id@madcap2.tricolour.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhQruN88t-R9Qo3e4hwCZ58RAyrmEmH1nY4RR6NZaiBzGQ@mail.gmail.com>
On 2018-05-21 16:06, Paul Moore wrote:
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 3:19 PM, Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
> > Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com> writes:
> >> On Friday, March 16, 2018 5:00:40 AM EDT Richard Guy Briggs wrote:
> >>> Add support for reading the container ID from the proc filesystem.
> >>
> >> I think this could be useful in general. Please consider this to be part of
> >> the full patch set and not something merely used to debug the patches.
> >
> > Only with an audit specific name.
> >
> > As it is:
> >
> > Nacked-by: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
> >
> > The truth is the containerid name really stinks and is quite confusing
> > and does not imply that the label applies only to audit. And little
> > things like this make me extremely uncofortable with it.
>
> It also makes the audit container ID (notice how I *always* call it
> the *audit* container ID? that is not an accident) available for
> userspace applications to abuse. Perhaps in the future we can look at
> ways to make this more available to applications, but this patch is
> not the answer.
Do you have a productive suggestion?
> paul moore
- RGB
--
Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com>
Sr. S/W Engineer, Kernel Security, Base Operating Systems
Remote, Ottawa, Red Hat Canada
IRC: rgb, SunRaycer
Voice: +1.647.777.2635, Internal: (81) 32635
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Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-03-16 9:00 [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 00/13] audit: implement container id Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-16 9:00 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 01/13] audit: add " Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-28 18:39 ` Jonathan Corbet
[not found] ` <20180328123912.49b11c98-T1hC0tSOHrs@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-29 9:01 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-29 9:01 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <20180329090132.r3qfomigkw3hbwbw-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-29 13:03 ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-03-29 13:03 ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-03-30 5:06 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-30 5:06 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <20180329070327.7f4c92c8-T1hC0tSOHrs@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-30 5:06 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-18 23:47 ` Paul Moore
2018-04-19 0:41 ` Casey Schaufler
[not found] ` <32d3e7a6-36f0-571a-bb91-67f746c7eafa-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-19 0:46 ` Paul Moore
2018-04-19 0:46 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <CAHC9VhTz-pr-iUVv-+R3ShwEKSHDsweDGuN7255HV7Cu3ZYPEw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-19 1:15 ` Casey Schaufler
2018-04-19 1:15 ` Casey Schaufler
[not found] ` <CAHC9VhTyvxxj2e2Gn+iyW6iLLeYB7hp8a+JvfeMmJ2nUPqtEaw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-19 0:41 ` Casey Schaufler
2018-04-21 14:34 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-06 16:51 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-21 14:34 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-23 23:15 ` Paul Moore
2018-04-24 2:02 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-24 19:01 ` Paul Moore
2018-04-25 0:40 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-26 22:47 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <20180425004031.zutsno6hvmpq3crd-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-26 22:47 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <CAHC9VhSZd7V9avx6K5g6CQ7mkj1T8ti7Nqq=OoWVwPznkesD1w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-25 0:40 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <20180424020200.imonhbkwtb73luxl-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 19:01 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <CAHC9VhQkJBU-f-AuEnGF1BA2QW6nCJ_yr_EqBR02-1y9+XQZ5A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 2:02 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <20180421143443.faaput5g2rn6ul7p-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-23 23:15 ` Paul Moore
2018-05-06 16:51 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <e284617ad667ad8f17958dd8babb87fe1b4d7205.1521179281.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-28 18:39 ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-04-18 23:47 ` Paul Moore
2018-05-17 21:00 ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-17 21:00 ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-17 21:56 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <20180517215600.dyswlkvqdtgjwr5y-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-18 13:56 ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-18 13:56 ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-18 15:21 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <20180518152106.do5b3mu6e6eyvo7q-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-18 15:38 ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-18 15:38 ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-18 15:21 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-17 21:56 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-06-01 21:04 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-06-04 16:09 ` Steve Grubb
2018-06-04 20:23 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-06-04 20:30 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 03/13] audit: log container info of syscalls Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-17 21:09 ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-17 21:41 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-17 21:41 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-21 19:19 ` Steve Grubb
[not found] ` <20180517214102.qhg4gofwrbsn2eru-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-21 19:19 ` Steve Grubb
[not found] ` <6768d20c636df65534f8d325529669bb30a58382.1521179281.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-17 21:09 ` Steve Grubb
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 04/13] audit: add containerid filtering Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-19 0:24 ` Paul Moore
2018-04-19 12:17 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <CAHC9VhRVGTCVJxG3Etcs-aOpr71A7xGsn5VPhskUG35rmQ7WUw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-19 12:17 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <b933f93762435990e9b1e6d5aebf15f186ac8951.1521179281.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-19 0:24 ` Paul Moore
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 06/13] audit: add support for non-syscall auxiliary records Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-19 0:39 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <CAHC9VhQbPbnrbxCD1fyTSxWgrXXXYnZw_=nbOhfMCO5Q5eSsWQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-20 1:23 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-20 1:23 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <20180420012346.udnga5pfdjoazcfc-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-20 16:21 ` Paul Moore
2018-04-20 16:21 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <ee2a945fb09a939b3c214f45e49dab6a770d83e6.1521179281.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-19 0:39 ` Paul Moore
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 08/13] audit: add containerid support for tty_audit Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-16 9:00 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 09/13] audit: add containerid support for config/feature/user records Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-16 9:00 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-19 1:27 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <CAHC9VhQ-i5oA48sXXnN2fP06t5=9-NMoY0bKcGXorQw2k=CK0Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-19 12:31 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-19 12:31 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-19 12:59 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <20180419123109.ab7gsnwrbtog4tbf-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-19 12:59 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <c34a7a95eb045a62e2443457979db9d7afbd9aee.1521179281.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-19 1:27 ` Paul Moore
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 11/13] audit: add support for containerid to network namespaces Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-19 1:46 ` Paul Moore
2018-04-20 20:02 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-20 20:22 ` Paul Moore
2018-04-20 20:42 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <20180420204225.iik2lgtj6gx2ep4w-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-21 12:10 ` Paul Moore
2018-04-21 12:10 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <CAHC9VhTOYUAyCJidm99som6FVmjouQUGsEHarQ4h_NhwJxQQfw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-20 20:42 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <20180420200226.7tyxzuovdbgclw3m-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-20 20:22 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <CAHC9VhRkstDMjd5T3w+iOUDjzDAs1AOm0xd3p6v_xn6fNGYQhA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-20 20:02 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <11b43a498e768a14764594c808a96b34d52be0af.1521179281.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-19 1:46 ` Paul Moore
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 12/13] audit: NETFILTER_PKT: record each container ID associated with a netNS Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-19 2:10 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <CAHC9VhR3BNRr24BPxud0X_eyFmSxUOh9bwjWNU4Z=rnDR0fENA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-19 12:45 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-19 12:45 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <20180419124550.7uknp4oebvwoo67s-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-19 13:13 ` Paul Moore
2018-04-19 13:13 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <66adde01c1dda792aff99a457eea576a0b08ca98.1521179281.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-19 2:10 ` Paul Moore
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 13/13] debug audit: read container ID of a process Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-16 9:00 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <1081821010c124fe4e35984ec3dac1654453bb7c.1521179281.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-21 19:16 ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-21 19:16 ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-21 19:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-05-21 19:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-05-21 20:06 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <CAHC9VhQruN88t-R9Qo3e4hwCZ58RAyrmEmH1nY4RR6NZaiBzGQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-22 17:35 ` Richard Guy Briggs [this message]
2018-05-22 17:35 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <20180522173541.slcdszumi7q6c4id-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-22 18:59 ` Paul Moore
2018-05-22 18:59 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <87muwshl4z.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-05-21 20:06 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <cover.1521179281.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 01/13] audit: add container id Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 02/13] audit: check children and threading before allowing containerid Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-16 9:00 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <995b77557010b2f9aed0e10435f7b8536df7a5db.1521179281.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-19 0:11 ` Paul Moore
2018-04-19 0:11 ` Paul Moore
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 03/13] audit: log container info of syscalls Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 04/13] audit: add containerid filtering Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 05/13] audit: add containerid support for ptrace and signals Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-16 9:00 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-19 0:32 ` Paul Moore
2018-04-20 1:03 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-20 16:13 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <20180420010320.panie6mtdafxl65y-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-20 16:13 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <CAHC9VhTy4fX1hYfD5tppbP-fRaVRMXOfeJ=Et96J_rc7Jw12Bw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-20 1:03 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <8c7ff567377f4a83edac48e962c1b5b824b523c8.1521179281.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-19 0:32 ` Paul Moore
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 06/13] audit: add support for non-syscall auxiliary records Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 07/13] audit: add container aux record to watch/tree/mark Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-16 9:00 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-19 0:42 ` Paul Moore
2018-04-19 12:24 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <CAHC9VhTzp-r2TFytt1zTEpeGK=O5dEnLPFw-CdsM1ttpY0a30g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-19 12:24 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <737f914a88d048b9985984c0ce1f946c30ca374c.1521179281.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-19 0:42 ` Paul Moore
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 08/13] audit: add containerid support for tty_audit Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 09/13] audit: add containerid support for config/feature/user records Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 10/13] audit: add containerid support for seccomp and anom_abend records Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-16 9:00 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-19 1:31 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <CAHC9VhS6MKoLkzpfcmYBSNnvrtbL2FOF5PX9uOfivSVEWykkQg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-20 0:42 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-04-20 0:42 ` Richard Guy Briggs
[not found] ` <20180420004218.tgndd474wgueyjzk-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-20 16:11 ` Paul Moore
2018-04-20 16:11 ` Paul Moore
[not found] ` <11174597083f89352f1d6491ec94e27f882625d9.1521179281.git.rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-19 1:31 ` Paul Moore
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 11/13] audit: add support for containerid to network namespaces Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 12/13] audit: NETFILTER_PKT: record each container ID associated with a netNS Richard Guy Briggs
2018-03-16 9:00 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 13/13] debug audit: read container ID of a process Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-30 13:20 ` [RFC PATCH ghak32 V2 00/13] audit: implement container id Steve Grubb
2018-05-30 13:20 ` Steve Grubb
2018-05-30 17:33 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-30 17:33 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2018-05-30 17:33 ` Richard Guy Briggs
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