Re: [PATCH v2 01/40] iommu: Introduce Shared Virtual Addressing API

From: Jacob Pan <jacob.jun.pan-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Christian König" <christian.koenig-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 01/40] iommu: Introduce Shared Virtual Addressing API
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 14:25:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180907142504.5034351e@jacob-builder> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5bbc0332-b94b-75cc-ca42-a9b196811daf-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>

On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 20:02:54 +0200
Christian König <christian.koenig@amd.com> wrote:

> Am 07.09.2018 um 17:45 schrieb Jean-Philippe Brucker:
> > On 07/09/2018 09:55, Christian König wrote:  
> >> I will take this as an opportunity to summarize some of the
> >> requirements we have for PASID management from the amdgpu driver
> >> point of view:  
> > That's incredibly useful, thanks :)
> >  
> >> 1. We need to be able to allocate PASID between 1 and some
> >> maximum. Zero is reserved as far as I know, but we don't necessary
> >> need a minimum.  
>  [...]  
> >> 2. We need to be able to allocate PASIDs without a process address
> >> space backing it. E.g. our hardware uses PASIDs even without
> >> Shared Virtual Addressing enabled to distinct clients from each
> >> other. Would be a pity if we need to still have a separate PASID
> >> handling because the system wide is only available when IOMMU is
> >> turned on.  
>  [...]  
> 
> I agree on that.
> 
> > iommu-sva expects everywhere that the device has an iommu_domain,
> > it's the first thing we check on entry. Bypassing all of this would
> > call idr_alloc() directly, and wouldn't have any code in common
> > with the current iommu-sva. So it seems like you need a layer on
> > top of iommu-sva calling idr_alloc() when an IOMMU isn't present,
> > but I don't think it should be in drivers/iommu/  
> 
> In this case I question if the PASID handling should be under 
> drivers/iommu at all.
> 
> See I can have a mix of VM context which are bound to processes (some 
> few) and VM contexts which are standalone and doesn't care for a
> process address space. But for each VM context I need a distinct
> PASID for the hardware to work.
> 
> I can live if we say if IOMMU is completely disabled we use a simple
> ida to allocate them, but when IOMMU is enabled I certainly need a
> way to reserve a PASID without an associated process.
> 
VT-d would also have such requirement. There is a virtual command
register for allocate and free PASID for VM use. When that PASID
allocation request gets propagated to the host IOMMU driver, we need to
allocate PASID w/o mm.

If the PASID allocation is done via VFIO, can we have FD to track PASID
life cycle instead of mm_exit()? i.e. all FDs get closed before
mm_exit, I assume?

> >> 3. Even after destruction of a process address space we need some
> >> grace period before a PASID is reused because it can be that the
> >> specific PASID is still in some hardware queues etc...
> >>           At bare minimum all device drivers using process binding
> >> need to explicitly note to the core when they are done with a
> >> PASID.  
> > Right, much of the horribleness in iommu-sva deals with this:
> >
> > The process dies, iommu-sva is notified and calls the mm_exit()
> > function passed by the device driver to iommu_sva_device_init(). In
> > mm_exit() the device driver needs to clear any reference to the
> > PASID in hardware and in its own structures. When the device driver
> > returns from mm_exit(), it effectively tells the core that it has
> > finished using the PASID, and iommu-sva can reuse the PASID for
> > another process. mm_exit() is allowed to block, so the device
> > driver has time to clean up and flush the queues.
> >
> > If the device driver finishes using the PASID before the process
> > exits, it just calls unbind().  
> 
> Exactly that's what Michal Hocko is probably going to not like at all.
> 
> Can we have a different approach where each driver is informed by the 
> mm_exit(), but needs to explicitly call unbind() before a PASID is
> reused?
> 
> During that teardown transition it would be ideal if that PASID only 
> points to a dummy root page directory with only invalid entries.
> 
I guess this can be vendor specific, In VT-d I plan to mark PASID
entry not present and disable fault reporting while draining remaining
activities.

> >  
> >> 4. It would be nice to have to be able to set a "void *" for each
> >> PASID/device combination while binding to a process which then can
> >> be queried later on based on the PASID.
> >>           E.g. when you have a per PASID/device structure around
> >> anyway, just add an extra field.  
> > iommu_sva_bind_device() takes a "drvdata" pointer that is stored
> > internally for the PASID/device combination (iommu_bond). It is
> > passed to mm_exit(), but I haven't added anything for the device
> > driver to query it back.  
> 
> Nice! Looks like all we need additionally is a function to retrieve
> that based on the PASID.
> 
> >> 5. It would be nice to have to allocate multiple PASIDs for the
> >> same process address space.
> >>           E.g. some teams at AMD want to use a separate GPU
> >> address space for their userspace client library. I'm still trying
> >> to avoid that, but it is perfectly possible that we are going to
> >> need that.  
> > Two PASIDs pointing to the same process pgd? At first glance it
> > seems feasible, maybe with a flag passed to bind() and a few
> > changes to internal structures. It will duplicate ATC invalidation
> > commands for each process address space change (munmap etc) so you
> > might take a performance hit.
> >
> > Intel's SVM code has the SVM_FLAG_PRIVATE_PASID which seems similar
> > to what you describe, but I don't plan to support it in this series
> > (the io_mm model is already pretty complicated). I think it can be
> > added without too much effort in a future series, though with a
> > different flag name since we'd like to use "private PASID" for
> > something else
> > (https://www.spinics.net/lists/dri-devel/msg177007.html).  
> 
> To be honest I hoped that you would say: No never! So that I have a
> good argument to pushback on such requirements :)
> 
> But if it's doable it would be at least nice to have for debugging.
> 
> Thanks a lot for working on that,
> Christian.
> 
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jean
> >  
> >>           Additional to that it is sometimes quite useful for
> >> debugging to isolate where exactly an incorrect access (segfault)
> >> is coming from.
> >>
> >> Let me know if there are some problems with that, especially I
> >> want to know if there is pushback on #5 so that I can forward
> >> that :)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Christian.
> >>  
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Jean  
> 

[Jacob Pan]
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