From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>,
Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
Brendan Higgins <brendanhiggins@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v4 9/9] printk: use a new ringbuffer implementation
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 20:48:41 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190808204841.5afcad46@gandalf.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wiRpvRg6dpEWqaB20QUFRq8or0-AGgkjvisygptRE64UA@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 17:21:09 -0700
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> But laptops don't have reset buttons. They have "press the power
> button for ten seconds, power turns off. Press it again, and power
> comes on" reset sequences.
I've never tried, but are you saying that even with the "10 second
hold" the laptop's DRAM may still have old data that is accessible?
>
> They are nasty to debug when they happen on a developer machine (I
> should know, I've definitely had them), but when they happen in the
> wild they are basically "user just rebooted the machine". End of
> story, and no stats or anything like that.
Would a best effort 1 page buffer work? Really, with a hard hang we
usually only care about the last thing that was printed (we need to add
one of those: stop printing after the first WARN_ON is hit, to not
lose the initial bug).
That way you could have a buffer that is written to constantly but only
is the size of one or two pages. It can have a variable in it that gets
reset on shutdown. If the system hangs, the next boot could look to see
if that page was shutdown cleanly (or never initialized) otherwise, it
can read the page or pages into a buffer that can be read from debugfs.
A user space tool could read this page and if it detects that it
contains data from a crash, notify the user and say "Can you send this
to linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org"? Even better if it tells the user the
subject and content of the email that should be sent.
-- Steve
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-08-09 0:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-08-07 22:26 [RFC PATCH v4 0/9] printk: new ringbuffer implementation John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 1/9] printk-rb: add a new printk " John Ogness
2019-08-20 8:15 ` numlist_pop(): " Petr Mladek
2019-08-21 5:41 ` John Ogness
2019-09-04 12:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-20 8:22 ` assign_desc() barriers: " Petr Mladek
2019-08-20 14:14 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-21 5:52 ` John Ogness
2019-08-22 11:53 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-25 2:06 ` John Ogness
2019-08-26 8:21 ` John Ogness
2019-08-20 8:55 ` comments style: " Petr Mladek
2019-08-20 9:27 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-21 5:46 ` John Ogness
2019-08-22 13:50 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-22 17:38 ` Andrea Parri
2019-08-23 10:47 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-23 14:27 ` Andrea Parri
2019-08-23 9:49 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-23 5:54 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-23 10:29 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-21 5:42 ` John Ogness
2019-08-22 12:44 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-20 13:50 ` dataring_push() barriers " Petr Mladek
2019-08-25 2:42 ` John Ogness
2019-08-27 14:36 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-28 13:43 ` John Ogness
2019-08-20 15:12 ` datablock reuse races " Petr Mladek
2019-08-23 9:21 ` numlist_push() barriers " Petr Mladek
2019-08-26 8:34 ` Andrea Parri
2019-08-26 8:43 ` Andrea Parri
2019-08-26 14:10 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-26 16:01 ` Andrea Parri
2019-08-26 22:36 ` John Ogness
2019-08-27 7:40 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-27 14:28 ` John Ogness
2019-08-27 15:07 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-28 10:24 ` John Ogness
2019-08-23 17:18 ` numlist API " Petr Mladek
2019-08-26 23:57 ` John Ogness
2019-08-27 13:03 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-28 7:13 ` John Ogness
2019-08-28 8:58 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-28 14:03 ` John Ogness
2019-08-29 11:28 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-03 7:58 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-30 14:48 ` dataring " Petr Mladek
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 2/9] printk-rb: add test module John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 3/9] printk-rb: fix missing includes/exports John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 4/9] printk-rb: initialize new descriptors as invalid John Ogness
2019-08-20 9:23 ` Petr Mladek
2019-08-20 10:16 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-21 5:56 ` John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 5/9] printk-rb: remove extra data buffer size allocation John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 6/9] printk-rb: adjust test module ringbuffer sizes John Ogness
2019-08-19 21:29 ` [PATCH] printk-rb: fix test module macro usage John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 7/9] printk-rb: increase size of seq and size variables John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 8/9] printk-rb: new functionality to support printk John Ogness
2019-08-20 9:59 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-21 5:47 ` John Ogness
2019-08-07 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v4 9/9] printk: use a new ringbuffer implementation John Ogness
2019-08-08 19:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-08 22:55 ` John Ogness
2019-08-08 23:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-08 23:45 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-09 0:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-09 0:48 ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2019-08-09 1:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-09 11:15 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-09 16:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-09 20:07 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-09 20:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-09 6:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-09 7:08 ` John Ogness
2019-08-09 15:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-10 5:53 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-10 3:19 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-08-12 9:54 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2019-08-16 5:46 ` Dave Young
2019-08-16 5:46 ` Dave Young
2019-08-16 5:54 ` Dave Young
2019-08-16 5:54 ` Dave Young
2019-08-16 9:40 ` John Ogness
2019-08-16 9:40 ` John Ogness
2019-09-04 12:35 ` [RFC PATCH v4 0/9] printk: " Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-05 13:05 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-05 14:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-05 15:38 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-05 16:11 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-05 21:10 ` John Ogness
2019-09-06 9:39 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-09 14:11 ` printk meeting at LPC Thomas Gleixner
2019-09-13 13:26 ` John Ogness
2019-09-13 14:48 ` Daniel Vetter
2019-09-15 13:47 ` John Ogness
2019-09-16 8:44 ` Daniel Vetter
2019-09-16 4:30 ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-09-16 10:46 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-16 13:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-16 14:28 ` John Ogness
2019-09-17 8:11 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-17 7:52 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-17 13:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-17 13:12 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-09-17 13:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-17 14:08 ` Tetsuo Handa
2019-09-17 7:51 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-18 1:25 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-18 2:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-18 2:36 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-18 5:19 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-18 7:42 ` John Ogness
2019-09-18 8:10 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-18 9:05 ` John Ogness
2019-09-18 9:11 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-18 16:41 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-18 16:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-24 14:24 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-19 8:06 ` Daniel Vetter
2019-09-18 7:33 ` John Ogness
2019-09-18 8:08 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-10-04 14:48 ` Tony Asleson
2019-10-07 12:01 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-06 9:06 ` [RFC PATCH v4 0/9] printk: new ringbuffer implementation Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-06 10:09 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-06 10:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-06 13:44 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-06 12:42 ` Petr Mladek
2019-09-06 14:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-06 14:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-06 19:53 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-09-06 22:47 ` John Ogness
2019-09-08 22:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-10 3:22 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
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