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From: Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com>
To: Cristian Marussi <cristian.marussi@arm.com>
Cc: sudeep.holla@arm.com, james.quinlan@broadcom.com,
	Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com, f.fainelli@gmail.com,
	etienne.carriere@linaro.org, vincent.guittot@linaro.org,
	daniel.lezcano@linaro.org, tarek.el-sherbiny@arm.com,
	adrian.slatineanu@arm.com, souvik.chakravarty@arm.com,
	wleavitt@marvell.com, wbartczak@marvell.com,
	dan.carpenter@oracle.com,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] powercap: arm_scmi: Add SCMI Powercap based driver
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2022 09:45:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <31b205ad-6ce9-df41-85fc-d8fee8e26f20@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YxTHQ9PRU8spf5x2@e120937-lin>



On 9/4/22 16:41, Cristian Marussi wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 02:16:42PM +0100, Lukasz Luba wrote:
>> Hi Cristian,
>>
> 
> Hi Lukasz,
> 

[snip]

>>> +static int scmi_powercap_get_max_power_range_uw(struct powercap_zone *pz,
>>> +						u64 *max_power_range_uw)
>>> +{
>>> +	*max_power_range_uw = U32_MAX;
>>
>> Shouldn't be calculated based on pai info from the platform FW?
>> e.g.
>> *max_power_range_uw = spz->info->max_power_cap - spz->info->min_power_cap
>>
>> (but with uW conversion in mind if needed)
>>
> 
> I double checked this and in include/linux/powercap.h these
> powercap_zone_ops are defined as:
> 
>   * @get_max_power_range_uw:	Get maximum range of power counter in
>   *				micro-watts.
>   * @get_power_uw:		Get current power counter in micro-watts.
> 
> so these are really data related to average power consumed, i.e. in SCMI
> parlance, info counters I can retrieve for a powercapping domain with
> POWERCAP_MEASUREMENTS_GET, which returns a uint32 representing the
> "average power consumption of the powercapping domain in the last PAI"
> 
> It seemed to me that this was unrelated to min/max powercap but more
> something used to report actual powercap domain consumption, so I use
> UINT32_MAX to represent the max range...on the other side in Linux these
> powercap ops may seem more to expect to report a sort of progressive
> accumulated comsuption value while I can only expose the average consumption
> as calculated and reported by fw across the last PAI. (SCMI 4.10.3.10)
> 
> Looking again at this, I'm not sure really if this is ok for the powercap
> Linux framework or should I instead try to keep a running accumulated value
> inside this driver (built from the values I get from
> POWERCAP_MEASUREMENTS_GET) and expose that....
> 
> ... so thanks for pointing this out because it triggered more doubts :D
> ...any hint about this welcome.

I recalled this code in DTPM [1]. Although, I have checked the
documentation of Powercap sysfs for this file [2]. This 'range'
for power (or energy) describes the values for related: 'power_uw'
or 'energy_uj'. Which means the 'power_uw' value can be actually
lower that setting in 'min_power_cap' (e.g. due to lightly loaded CPU).
I'm not sure for the upper bound: 'max_power_cap'. In real world
we can get a power spike which is bigger than that, so probably
your original U32_MAX is OK.

Therefore, probably the DTPM [1] could be adjusted not your aproach.


[snip]

>>> +	for (i = 0, spz = pr->spzones; i < pr->num_zones; i++, spz++) {
>>> +		/*
>>> +		 * Powercap domains are validate by the protocol layer, i.e.
>>> +		 * when only non-NULL domains are returned here, whose
>>> +		 * parent_id is assured to point to another valid domain.
>>> +		 */
>>> +		spz->info = powercap_ops->info_get(ph, i);
>>> +
>>> +		spz->dev = dev;
>>> +		spz->ph = ph;
>>> +		spz->spzones = pr->spzones;
>>> +		INIT_LIST_HEAD(&spz->node);
>>> +		INIT_LIST_HEAD(&pr->registered_zones[i]);
>>> +
>>> +		/*
>>> +		 * Forcibly skip powercap domains using an abstract scale.
>>> +		 * Note that only leaves domains can be skipped, so this could
>>> +		 * lead later to a global failure.
>>> +		 */
>>> +		if (!spz->info->powercap_scale_uw &&
>>> +		    !spz->info->powercap_scale_mw) {
>>> +			dev_warn(dev,
>>> +				 "Abstract power scale not supported. Skip %s.\n",
>>> +				 spz->info->name);
>>> +			spz->info = NULL;
>>> +			continue;
>>> +		}
>>
>> We can say that the power scale should be consistent in
>> a platform. Then we can bail out when abstract scale has
>> been found. This could also simplify code by a bit.
>>
> 
> I do NOT agree on this since I do NOT think from the SCMI spec we can
> assume this semplification: Linux powercap has indeed this limitation on
> scales BUT other non-Linux agents could indeed support abstract scales and
> the SCMI server could advertise a well built hierarchy of powercap domains
> including some abstract scale ones tha, if placed as leaves of the hierarchy,
> could be ignored by Linux but used instead by other agents...or in the future
> used by Linux too ?

This diversity makes me a headache ;) I would hope the SCMI spec would
restrict the span of variety. Although, I cannot find in the spec that
all powercap domains must use the same power scale...

It looks like, you will have to implement it this way.

> 
> I'll double check with Archs since I had already an internal exchange on
> this and seemed to me that the current approach (of only bailing out when
> non-leaves abstract scale domains are found) was fine, i.e. that I could
> not just assume to receive only uw/mv scale domains.
> 
>> Can we also validate here some those lines, which are
>> checked in many callback funcitons?
>>
> 
> Partially yes....see below...
> 
>> These are the lines, which could be then removed if we bail
>> out here earlier:
>> 	if (!spz->info)
>> 		return -ENODEV;
> 
> I can remove this surely from everywhere since I really never register a
> zone with NULL spx->info, this check all-around, my bad, is redundant.
> 
>> 	if (!spz->info->powercap_pai_config)
>> 		return -EINVAL;
>> 	if (!spz->info->powercap_monitoring)
>> 		return -EINVAL;
>>
> 
> Instead I cannot see why a powercap domain missing this capabilities
> (PAI configuration and power consumption monitoring) should be
> excluded as a whole...for this reason (if valid from the scale
> perspective as said above) I currently register these powercap SCMI
> zones even if lacking these supports and then return -EINVAL only for
> the related Powercap unsupported callbacks...while still supporting as
> an example setting min/max powercaps.

It's a bit more complicated than I thought. We cannot simplify too much
and make weak assumption. You're right, please keep your approach.



[1] 
https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/drivers/powercap/dtpm.c#L54
[2] 
https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/Documentation/power/powercap/powercap.rst#L206

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From: Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com>
To: Cristian Marussi <cristian.marussi@arm.com>
Cc: sudeep.holla@arm.com, james.quinlan@broadcom.com,
	Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com, f.fainelli@gmail.com,
	etienne.carriere@linaro.org, vincent.guittot@linaro.org,
	daniel.lezcano@linaro.org, tarek.el-sherbiny@arm.com,
	adrian.slatineanu@arm.com, souvik.chakravarty@arm.com,
	wleavitt@marvell.com, wbartczak@marvell.com,
	dan.carpenter@oracle.com,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] powercap: arm_scmi: Add SCMI Powercap based driver
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2022 09:45:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <31b205ad-6ce9-df41-85fc-d8fee8e26f20@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YxTHQ9PRU8spf5x2@e120937-lin>



On 9/4/22 16:41, Cristian Marussi wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 02:16:42PM +0100, Lukasz Luba wrote:
>> Hi Cristian,
>>
> 
> Hi Lukasz,
> 

[snip]

>>> +static int scmi_powercap_get_max_power_range_uw(struct powercap_zone *pz,
>>> +						u64 *max_power_range_uw)
>>> +{
>>> +	*max_power_range_uw = U32_MAX;
>>
>> Shouldn't be calculated based on pai info from the platform FW?
>> e.g.
>> *max_power_range_uw = spz->info->max_power_cap - spz->info->min_power_cap
>>
>> (but with uW conversion in mind if needed)
>>
> 
> I double checked this and in include/linux/powercap.h these
> powercap_zone_ops are defined as:
> 
>   * @get_max_power_range_uw:	Get maximum range of power counter in
>   *				micro-watts.
>   * @get_power_uw:		Get current power counter in micro-watts.
> 
> so these are really data related to average power consumed, i.e. in SCMI
> parlance, info counters I can retrieve for a powercapping domain with
> POWERCAP_MEASUREMENTS_GET, which returns a uint32 representing the
> "average power consumption of the powercapping domain in the last PAI"
> 
> It seemed to me that this was unrelated to min/max powercap but more
> something used to report actual powercap domain consumption, so I use
> UINT32_MAX to represent the max range...on the other side in Linux these
> powercap ops may seem more to expect to report a sort of progressive
> accumulated comsuption value while I can only expose the average consumption
> as calculated and reported by fw across the last PAI. (SCMI 4.10.3.10)
> 
> Looking again at this, I'm not sure really if this is ok for the powercap
> Linux framework or should I instead try to keep a running accumulated value
> inside this driver (built from the values I get from
> POWERCAP_MEASUREMENTS_GET) and expose that....
> 
> ... so thanks for pointing this out because it triggered more doubts :D
> ...any hint about this welcome.

I recalled this code in DTPM [1]. Although, I have checked the
documentation of Powercap sysfs for this file [2]. This 'range'
for power (or energy) describes the values for related: 'power_uw'
or 'energy_uj'. Which means the 'power_uw' value can be actually
lower that setting in 'min_power_cap' (e.g. due to lightly loaded CPU).
I'm not sure for the upper bound: 'max_power_cap'. In real world
we can get a power spike which is bigger than that, so probably
your original U32_MAX is OK.

Therefore, probably the DTPM [1] could be adjusted not your aproach.


[snip]

>>> +	for (i = 0, spz = pr->spzones; i < pr->num_zones; i++, spz++) {
>>> +		/*
>>> +		 * Powercap domains are validate by the protocol layer, i.e.
>>> +		 * when only non-NULL domains are returned here, whose
>>> +		 * parent_id is assured to point to another valid domain.
>>> +		 */
>>> +		spz->info = powercap_ops->info_get(ph, i);
>>> +
>>> +		spz->dev = dev;
>>> +		spz->ph = ph;
>>> +		spz->spzones = pr->spzones;
>>> +		INIT_LIST_HEAD(&spz->node);
>>> +		INIT_LIST_HEAD(&pr->registered_zones[i]);
>>> +
>>> +		/*
>>> +		 * Forcibly skip powercap domains using an abstract scale.
>>> +		 * Note that only leaves domains can be skipped, so this could
>>> +		 * lead later to a global failure.
>>> +		 */
>>> +		if (!spz->info->powercap_scale_uw &&
>>> +		    !spz->info->powercap_scale_mw) {
>>> +			dev_warn(dev,
>>> +				 "Abstract power scale not supported. Skip %s.\n",
>>> +				 spz->info->name);
>>> +			spz->info = NULL;
>>> +			continue;
>>> +		}
>>
>> We can say that the power scale should be consistent in
>> a platform. Then we can bail out when abstract scale has
>> been found. This could also simplify code by a bit.
>>
> 
> I do NOT agree on this since I do NOT think from the SCMI spec we can
> assume this semplification: Linux powercap has indeed this limitation on
> scales BUT other non-Linux agents could indeed support abstract scales and
> the SCMI server could advertise a well built hierarchy of powercap domains
> including some abstract scale ones tha, if placed as leaves of the hierarchy,
> could be ignored by Linux but used instead by other agents...or in the future
> used by Linux too ?

This diversity makes me a headache ;) I would hope the SCMI spec would
restrict the span of variety. Although, I cannot find in the spec that
all powercap domains must use the same power scale...

It looks like, you will have to implement it this way.

> 
> I'll double check with Archs since I had already an internal exchange on
> this and seemed to me that the current approach (of only bailing out when
> non-leaves abstract scale domains are found) was fine, i.e. that I could
> not just assume to receive only uw/mv scale domains.
> 
>> Can we also validate here some those lines, which are
>> checked in many callback funcitons?
>>
> 
> Partially yes....see below...
> 
>> These are the lines, which could be then removed if we bail
>> out here earlier:
>> 	if (!spz->info)
>> 		return -ENODEV;
> 
> I can remove this surely from everywhere since I really never register a
> zone with NULL spx->info, this check all-around, my bad, is redundant.
> 
>> 	if (!spz->info->powercap_pai_config)
>> 		return -EINVAL;
>> 	if (!spz->info->powercap_monitoring)
>> 		return -EINVAL;
>>
> 
> Instead I cannot see why a powercap domain missing this capabilities
> (PAI configuration and power consumption monitoring) should be
> excluded as a whole...for this reason (if valid from the scale
> perspective as said above) I currently register these powercap SCMI
> zones even if lacking these supports and then return -EINVAL only for
> the related Powercap unsupported callbacks...while still supporting as
> an example setting min/max powercaps.

It's a bit more complicated than I thought. We cannot simplify too much
and make weak assumption. You're right, please keep your approach.



[1] 
https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/drivers/powercap/dtpm.c#L54
[2] 
https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/Documentation/power/powercap/powercap.rst#L206

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Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-17 10:54 [PATCH 0/3] Add ARM SCMI Powercap driver Cristian Marussi
2022-08-17 10:54 ` Cristian Marussi
2022-08-17 10:54 ` [PATCH 1/3] powercap: arm_scmi: Add SCMI Powercap based driver Cristian Marussi
2022-08-17 10:54   ` Cristian Marussi
2022-08-30 13:16   ` Lukasz Luba
2022-08-30 13:16     ` Lukasz Luba
2022-09-04 15:41     ` Cristian Marussi
2022-09-04 15:41       ` Cristian Marussi
2022-09-05  8:45       ` Lukasz Luba [this message]
2022-09-05  8:45         ` Lukasz Luba
2022-08-17 10:54 ` [PATCH 2/3] powercap: arm_scmi: Fix signedness bug in probe Cristian Marussi
2022-08-17 10:54   ` Cristian Marussi
2022-08-17 10:54 ` [PATCH 3/3] powercap: arm_scmi: Fix a NULL vs IS_ERR() bug Cristian Marussi
2022-08-17 10:54   ` Cristian Marussi

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