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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Christophe de Dinechin <dinechin@redhat.com>,
	Xiao Guangrong <guangrong.xiao@gmail.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, mst@redhat.com, mtosatti@redhat.com,
	Xiao Guangrong <xiaoguangrong@tencent.com>,
	dgilbert@redhat.com, peterx@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	quintela@redhat.com, wei.w.wang@intel.com, cota@braap.org,
	jiang.biao2@zte.com.cn
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/5] util: introduce threaded workqueue
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 14:51:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3a17b878-9a1c-7cdc-0250-187e82e2faf3@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BB9071C9-5BED-4763-99B3-7083B8EB49CF@redhat.com>

On 27/11/18 13:49, Christophe de Dinechin wrote:
> So this is not really
> helping. Also, the ThreadLocal structure itself is not necessarily aligned
> within struct Threads. Therefore, it’s possible that “requests” for example
> could be on the same cache line as request_fill_bitmap if planets align
> the wrong way.

I think this is a bit exaggerated.  Linux and QEMU's own qht work just
fine with compile-time directives.

> In order to mitigate these effects, I would group the data that the user
> writes and the data that the thread writes, i.e. reorder declarations,
> put request_fill_bitmap and request_valid_ev together, and try
> to put them in the same cache line so that only one cache line is invalidated
> from within mark_request_valid instead of two.
> 
> Then you end up with a single alignment directive instead of 4, to
> separate requests from completions.

Yeah, I agree with this.

> That being said, I’m not sure why you use a bitmap here. What is the
> expected benefit relative to atomic lists (which would also make it really
> lock-free)?
> 

I don't think lock-free lists are easier.  Bitmaps smaller than 64
elements are both faster and easier to manage.

Paolo

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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Christophe de Dinechin <dinechin@redhat.com>,
	Xiao Guangrong <guangrong.xiao@gmail.com>
Cc: mst@redhat.com, mtosatti@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, dgilbert@redhat.com, peterx@redhat.com,
	wei.w.wang@intel.com, jiang.biao2@zte.com.cn, eblake@redhat.com,
	quintela@redhat.com, cota@braap.org,
	Xiao Guangrong <xiaoguangrong@tencent.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/5] util: introduce threaded workqueue
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 14:51:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3a17b878-9a1c-7cdc-0250-187e82e2faf3@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BB9071C9-5BED-4763-99B3-7083B8EB49CF@redhat.com>

On 27/11/18 13:49, Christophe de Dinechin wrote:
> So this is not really
> helping. Also, the ThreadLocal structure itself is not necessarily aligned
> within struct Threads. Therefore, it’s possible that “requests” for example
> could be on the same cache line as request_fill_bitmap if planets align
> the wrong way.

I think this is a bit exaggerated.  Linux and QEMU's own qht work just
fine with compile-time directives.

> In order to mitigate these effects, I would group the data that the user
> writes and the data that the thread writes, i.e. reorder declarations,
> put request_fill_bitmap and request_valid_ev together, and try
> to put them in the same cache line so that only one cache line is invalidated
> from within mark_request_valid instead of two.
> 
> Then you end up with a single alignment directive instead of 4, to
> separate requests from completions.

Yeah, I agree with this.

> That being said, I’m not sure why you use a bitmap here. What is the
> expected benefit relative to atomic lists (which would also make it really
> lock-free)?
> 

I don't think lock-free lists are easier.  Bitmaps smaller than 64
elements are both faster and easier to manage.

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-27 13:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-22  7:20 [PATCH v3 0/5] migration: improve multithreads guangrong.xiao
2018-11-22  7:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " guangrong.xiao
2018-11-22  7:20 ` [PATCH v3 1/5] bitops: introduce change_bit_atomic guangrong.xiao
2018-11-22  7:20   ` [Qemu-devel] " guangrong.xiao
2018-11-23 10:23   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-23 10:23     ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-28  9:35   ` Juan Quintela
2018-11-28  9:35     ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2018-11-22  7:20 ` [PATCH v3 2/5] util: introduce threaded workqueue guangrong.xiao
2018-11-22  7:20   ` [Qemu-devel] " guangrong.xiao
2018-11-23 11:02   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-23 11:02     ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-26  7:57     ` Xiao Guangrong
2018-11-26  7:57       ` [Qemu-devel] " Xiao Guangrong
2018-11-26 10:56       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-26 10:56         ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-27  7:17         ` Xiao Guangrong
2018-11-27  7:17           ` [Qemu-devel] " Xiao Guangrong
2018-11-26 18:55       ` Emilio G. Cota
2018-11-26 18:55         ` [Qemu-devel] " Emilio G. Cota
2018-11-27  8:30         ` Xiao Guangrong
2018-11-27  8:30           ` [Qemu-devel] " Xiao Guangrong
2018-11-24  0:12   ` Emilio G. Cota
2018-11-24  0:12     ` [Qemu-devel] " Emilio G. Cota
2018-11-26  8:06     ` Xiao Guangrong
2018-11-26  8:06       ` [Qemu-devel] " Xiao Guangrong
2018-11-26 18:49       ` Emilio G. Cota
2018-11-26 18:49         ` [Qemu-devel] " Emilio G. Cota
2018-11-27  8:29         ` Xiao Guangrong
2018-11-27  8:29           ` [Qemu-devel] " Xiao Guangrong
2018-11-24  0:17   ` Emilio G. Cota
2018-11-24  0:17     ` [Qemu-devel] " Emilio G. Cota
2018-11-26  8:18     ` Xiao Guangrong
2018-11-26  8:18       ` [Qemu-devel] " Xiao Guangrong
2018-11-26 10:28       ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-11-26 10:28         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-11-27  8:31         ` Xiao Guangrong
2018-11-27  8:31           ` [Qemu-devel] " Xiao Guangrong
2018-11-27 12:49   ` Christophe de Dinechin
2018-11-27 12:49     ` [Qemu-devel] " Christophe de Dinechin
2018-11-27 13:51     ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2018-11-27 13:51       ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-12-04 15:49       ` Christophe de Dinechin
2018-12-04 15:49         ` [Qemu-devel] " Christophe de Dinechin
2018-12-04 17:16         ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-12-04 17:16           ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-12-10  3:23           ` Xiao Guangrong
2018-12-10  3:23             ` [Qemu-devel] " Xiao Guangrong
2018-11-27 17:39     ` Emilio G. Cota
2018-11-27 17:39       ` [Qemu-devel] " Emilio G. Cota
2018-11-28  8:55     ` Xiao Guangrong
2018-11-28  8:55       ` [Qemu-devel] " Xiao Guangrong
2018-11-22  7:20 ` [PATCH v3 3/5] migration: use threaded workqueue for compression guangrong.xiao
2018-11-22  7:20   ` [Qemu-devel] " guangrong.xiao
2018-11-23 18:17   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-23 18:17     ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-23 18:22     ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-11-23 18:22       ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-11-23 18:29       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-23 18:29         ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-11-26  8:00         ` Xiao Guangrong
2018-11-26  8:00           ` [Qemu-devel] " Xiao Guangrong
2018-11-22  7:20 ` [PATCH v3 4/5] migration: use threaded workqueue for decompression guangrong.xiao
2018-11-22  7:20   ` [Qemu-devel] " guangrong.xiao
2018-11-22  7:20 ` [PATCH v3 5/5] tests: add threaded-workqueue-bench guangrong.xiao
2018-11-22  7:20   ` [Qemu-devel] " guangrong.xiao
2018-11-22 21:25 ` [PATCH v3 0/5] migration: improve multithreads no-reply
2018-11-22 21:25   ` [Qemu-devel] " no-reply
2018-11-22 21:35 ` no-reply
2018-11-22 21:35   ` [Qemu-devel] " no-reply

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