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From: "Huang, Kai" <kai.huang@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 17/20] x86/virt/tdx: Configure global KeyID on all packages
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 00:08:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5ed6985e6104021ed1391c4f1d54c51d82b6fe98.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43aa0e78e15acc491ea3ac0db36dedfb6bd38515.camel@intel.com>

On Thu, 2022-11-24 at 22:28 +0000, Huang, Kai wrote:
> > > > > Intel hardware doesn't guarantee cache coherency across different
> > > > > KeyIDs.  The kernel needs to flush PAMT's dirty cachelines (associated
> > > > > with KeyID 0) before the TDX module uses the global KeyID to access
> > > > > the
> > > > > PAMT.  Following the TDX module specification, flush cache before
> > > > > configuring the global KeyID on all packages.
> > > 
> > > I think it's probably worth an aside here about why TDX security isn't
> > > dependent on this step.  I *think* it boils down to the memory integrity
> > > protections.  If the caches aren't flushed, a dirty KeyID-0 cacheline
> > > could be written back to RAM.  The TDX module would come along later and
> > > read the cacheline using KeyID-whatever, get an integrity mismatch,
> > > machine check, and then everyone would be sad.
> > > 
> > > Everyone is sad, but TDX security remains intact because memory
> > > integrity saved us.
> > > 
> > > Is it memory integrity or the TD bit, actually?
> 
> For this case, I think memory integrity.

Sorry thinking again, I was wrong.  It should be the TD bit, since TD bit check
happens before integrity check.

So the follow is:

1) Dirty KeyID-0 cacheline written back to RAM, which clears the TD bit.
2) TDX module reads PAMT using TDX private KeyId causes TD mismatch, which in
this case, results in poison.
3) Further consume of poisoned data results in #MC.

> 
> The TD bit is mainly used to prevent host kernel from being able to read the
> integrity checksum (MAC) of TD memory, which could result in potential blute-
> force attack on the MAC.
> 
> Specifically, there's such attack that: the host kernel can establish a shared
> (non-TDX private) KeyID mapping, and repeatedly use different keys via that
> mapping to speculatively read TDX guest memory. W/o the TD bit, the hardware
> always performs the integrity check and thus there's possibility that the host
> eventually can find a key which matches the integrity check.
> 
> To prevent such case, the TD bit is added. Hardware will check the TD bit
> match
> first, and only perform integrity check _after_ TD bit match. So in above
> case,
> host kernel speculatively read TDX memory via shared KeyID mapping will always
> get a TD bit mismatch, thus won't be able to achieve above attack.


  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-25  0:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-21  0:26 [PATCH v7 00/20] TDX host kernel support Kai Huang
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 01/20] x86/tdx: Define TDX supported page sizes as macros Kai Huang
2022-11-21  2:52   ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21  9:15     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 17:23       ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21 18:12     ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-21 23:48   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22  0:01     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 02/20] x86/virt/tdx: Detect TDX during kernel boot Kai Huang
2022-11-21  3:07   ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21  9:37     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 23:57       ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-22  0:10   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 11:28     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 16:50       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 23:21         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 03/20] x86/virt/tdx: Disable TDX if X2APIC is not enabled Kai Huang
2022-11-21  3:51   ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21  9:44     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 22:00       ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21 23:40         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 23:46   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22  0:30     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22  0:44       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22  0:58         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 04/20] x86/virt/tdx: Add skeleton to initialize TDX on demand Kai Huang
2022-11-22  9:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 10:31     ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-22 15:35       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 20:03         ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-22 20:11           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23  0:30           ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23  1:12             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 11:05             ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-23 12:22               ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 18:05   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 10:18     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 16:58       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 21:58         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 05/20] x86/virt/tdx: Implement functions to make SEAMCALL Kai Huang
2022-11-22  9:06   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-23  8:53     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 18:20   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 10:43     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 06/20] x86/virt/tdx: Shut down TDX module in case of error Kai Huang
2022-11-22  9:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22  9:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 15:14     ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 19:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 19:24         ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 19:33           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-23  1:14             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-29 21:40             ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-30 11:09               ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-23  0:58           ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23  1:04             ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23  1:22               ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 16:20                 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23 16:41                   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 17:37                     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23 18:18                       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 19:03                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-22  9:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 15:06     ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-22 19:06       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 19:31         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23  9:39           ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 15:20     ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 16:52       ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-22 18:57   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 19:14     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-23  1:24       ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 07/20] x86/virt/tdx: Do TDX module global initialization Kai Huang
2022-11-22 19:14   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 11:45     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 08/20] x86/virt/tdx: Do logical-cpu scope TDX module initialization Kai Huang
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 09/20] x86/virt/tdx: Get information about TDX module and TDX-capable memory Kai Huang
2022-11-22 23:39   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 11:40     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 16:44       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 22:53         ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 11:19           ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 17:25             ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 21:57               ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 11:11     ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 17:06       ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 21:56         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 10/20] x86/virt/tdx: Use all system memory when initializing TDX module as TDX memory Kai Huang
2022-11-21  5:37   ` Huang, Ying
2022-11-21  9:09     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22  1:54       ` Huang, Ying
2022-11-22  9:16         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24  0:47           ` Huang, Ying
2022-11-22 10:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 11:40     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23  0:21   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23  9:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-24  1:04     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24  1:22       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24  2:27         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24  1:50   ` Dan Williams
2022-11-24  9:06     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-25  9:28       ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-28  8:38         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28  8:43           ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-28  9:21             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28  9:26               ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-28  9:50                 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24  9:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-24 10:02       ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-30 22:26         ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 11/20] x86/virt/tdx: Add placeholder to construct TDMRs to cover all TDX memory regions Kai Huang
2022-11-23 22:17   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24  9:51     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24 12:02     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 15:59       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:13         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 22:19           ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:50             ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-07 11:47               ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-08 12:56                 ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-08 14:58                   ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-08 23:29                     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 12/20] x86/virt/tdx: Create " Kai Huang
2022-11-23 22:41   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 11:29     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 13/20] x86/virt/tdx: Allocate and set up PAMTs for TDMRs Kai Huang
2022-11-23 22:57   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 11:46     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 16:39       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:48         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 22:56           ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 23:14             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 14/20] x86/virt/tdx: Set up reserved areas for all TDMRs Kai Huang
2022-11-23 23:39   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28  9:14     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 13:18       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:24         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 22:58           ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 23:10             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 15/20] x86/virt/tdx: Reserve TDX module global KeyID Kai Huang
2022-11-23 23:40   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 22:39     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 16/20] x86/virt/tdx: Configure TDX module with TDMRs and " Kai Huang
2022-11-23 23:56   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-25  0:59     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-25  1:18       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-25  1:44         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 17/20] x86/virt/tdx: Configure global KeyID on all packages Kai Huang
2022-11-24  0:28   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 22:28     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-25  0:08       ` Huang, Kai [this message]
2022-11-30  3:35   ` Binbin Wu
2022-11-30  8:34     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-30 14:04       ` kirill.shutemov
2022-11-30 15:13       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-30 20:17         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-30 17:37   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 18/20] x86/virt/tdx: Initialize all TDMRs Kai Huang
2022-11-24  0:42   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-25  2:27     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 19/20] x86/virt/tdx: Flush cache in kexec() when TDX is enabled Kai Huang
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 20/20] Documentation/x86: Add documentation for TDX host support Kai Huang

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