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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Kai Huang <kai.huang@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, seanjc@google.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	dan.j.williams@intel.com, rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com,
	kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com, ying.huang@intel.com,
	reinette.chatre@intel.com, len.brown@intel.com,
	tony.luck@intel.com, peterz@infradead.org, ak@linux.intel.com,
	isaku.yamahata@intel.com, chao.gao@intel.com,
	sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com, bagasdotme@gmail.com,
	sagis@google.com, imammedo@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 03/20] x86/virt/tdx: Disable TDX if X2APIC is not enabled
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 15:46:35 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87e17024-755d-e195-d9ea-ef62a4de6aa8@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c5f484c1a87ee052597fd5f539cf021f158755b9.1668988357.git.kai.huang@intel.com>

On 11/20/22 16:26, Kai Huang wrote:
> The MMIO/xAPIC interface has some problems, most notably the APIC LEAK
> [1].  This bug allows an attacker to use the APIC MMIO interface to
> extract data from the SGX enclave.
> 
> TDX is not immune from this either.  Early check X2APIC and disable TDX
> if X2APIC is not enabled, and make INTEL_TDX_HOST depend on X86_X2APIC.

This makes no sense.

This is TDX host code.  TDX hosts are untrusted.  Zero of the TDX
security guarantees are provided by the host.

What is the benefit of disabling TDX from the host if x2APIC is not
enabled?  It can't be for security reasons since the host does not help
provide TDX security guarantees.  It also can't be for SGX because SGX
doesn't depend on the OS doing anything in order to be secure.

So, this boils down to the most fundamental of questions you need to
answer about every patch:

What does this code do?

What end-user-visible effect is there if this code is not present?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-11-21 23:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-21  0:26 [PATCH v7 00/20] TDX host kernel support Kai Huang
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 01/20] x86/tdx: Define TDX supported page sizes as macros Kai Huang
2022-11-21  2:52   ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21  9:15     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 17:23       ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21 18:12     ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-21 23:48   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22  0:01     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 02/20] x86/virt/tdx: Detect TDX during kernel boot Kai Huang
2022-11-21  3:07   ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21  9:37     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 23:57       ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-22  0:10   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 11:28     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 16:50       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 23:21         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 03/20] x86/virt/tdx: Disable TDX if X2APIC is not enabled Kai Huang
2022-11-21  3:51   ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21  9:44     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 22:00       ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-11-21 23:40         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21 23:46   ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2022-11-22  0:30     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22  0:44       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22  0:58         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 04/20] x86/virt/tdx: Add skeleton to initialize TDX on demand Kai Huang
2022-11-22  9:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 10:31     ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-22 15:35       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 20:03         ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-22 20:11           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23  0:30           ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23  1:12             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 11:05             ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-23 12:22               ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 18:05   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 10:18     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 16:58       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 21:58         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 05/20] x86/virt/tdx: Implement functions to make SEAMCALL Kai Huang
2022-11-22  9:06   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-23  8:53     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 18:20   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 10:43     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 06/20] x86/virt/tdx: Shut down TDX module in case of error Kai Huang
2022-11-22  9:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22  9:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 15:14     ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 19:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 19:24         ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 19:33           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-23  1:14             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-29 21:40             ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-30 11:09               ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-23  0:58           ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23  1:04             ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23  1:22               ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 16:20                 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23 16:41                   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 17:37                     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23 18:18                       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 19:03                         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-22  9:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 15:06     ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-22 19:06       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 19:31         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-11-23  9:39           ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22 15:20     ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 16:52       ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-11-22 18:57   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-22 19:14     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-23  1:24       ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 07/20] x86/virt/tdx: Do TDX module global initialization Kai Huang
2022-11-22 19:14   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 11:45     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 08/20] x86/virt/tdx: Do logical-cpu scope TDX module initialization Kai Huang
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 09/20] x86/virt/tdx: Get information about TDX module and TDX-capable memory Kai Huang
2022-11-22 23:39   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 11:40     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23 16:44       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23 22:53         ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 11:19           ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 17:25             ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 21:57               ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 11:11     ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-02 17:06       ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-02 21:56         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 10/20] x86/virt/tdx: Use all system memory when initializing TDX module as TDX memory Kai Huang
2022-11-21  5:37   ` Huang, Ying
2022-11-21  9:09     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-22  1:54       ` Huang, Ying
2022-11-22  9:16         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24  0:47           ` Huang, Ying
2022-11-22 10:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-22 11:40     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-23  0:21   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-23  9:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-24  1:04     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24  1:22       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24  2:27         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24  1:50   ` Dan Williams
2022-11-24  9:06     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-25  9:28       ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-28  8:38         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28  8:43           ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-28  9:21             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28  9:26               ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-28  9:50                 ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24  9:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-24 10:02       ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-30 22:26         ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 11/20] x86/virt/tdx: Add placeholder to construct TDMRs to cover all TDX memory regions Kai Huang
2022-11-23 22:17   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24  9:51     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-24 12:02     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 15:59       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:13         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 22:19           ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:50             ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-07 11:47               ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-08 12:56                 ` Huang, Kai
2022-12-08 14:58                   ` Dave Hansen
2022-12-08 23:29                     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 12/20] x86/virt/tdx: Create " Kai Huang
2022-11-23 22:41   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 11:29     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 13/20] x86/virt/tdx: Allocate and set up PAMTs for TDMRs Kai Huang
2022-11-23 22:57   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 11:46     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 16:39       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:48         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 22:56           ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 23:14             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 14/20] x86/virt/tdx: Set up reserved areas for all TDMRs Kai Huang
2022-11-23 23:39   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28  9:14     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 13:18       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 22:24         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-28 22:58           ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-28 23:10             ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 15/20] x86/virt/tdx: Reserve TDX module global KeyID Kai Huang
2022-11-23 23:40   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 22:39     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 16/20] x86/virt/tdx: Configure TDX module with TDMRs and " Kai Huang
2022-11-23 23:56   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-25  0:59     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-25  1:18       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-25  1:44         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 17/20] x86/virt/tdx: Configure global KeyID on all packages Kai Huang
2022-11-24  0:28   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-24 22:28     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-25  0:08       ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-30  3:35   ` Binbin Wu
2022-11-30  8:34     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-30 14:04       ` kirill.shutemov
2022-11-30 15:13       ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-30 20:17         ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-30 17:37   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 18/20] x86/virt/tdx: Initialize all TDMRs Kai Huang
2022-11-24  0:42   ` Dave Hansen
2022-11-25  2:27     ` Huang, Kai
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 19/20] x86/virt/tdx: Flush cache in kexec() when TDX is enabled Kai Huang
2022-11-21  0:26 ` [PATCH v7 20/20] Documentation/x86: Add documentation for TDX host support Kai Huang

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