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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: x86 <x86@kernel.org>, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	stable <stable@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/8] membarrier: Rewrite sync_core_before_usermode() and improve documentation
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 10:47:57 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <827549827.10547.1623941277868.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <07a8b963002cb955b7516e61bad19514a3acaa82.1623813516.git.luto@kernel.org>

----- On Jun 15, 2021, at 11:21 PM, Andy Lutomirski luto@kernel.org wrote:

> The old sync_core_before_usermode() comments suggested that a non-icache-syncing
> return-to-usermode instruction is x86-specific and that all other
> architectures automatically notice cross-modified code on return to
> userspace.
> 
> This is misleading.  The incantation needed to modify code from one
> CPU and execute it on another CPU is highly architecture dependent.
> On x86, according to the SDM, one must modify the code, issue SFENCE
> if the modification was WC or nontemporal, and then issue a "serializing
> instruction" on the CPU that will execute the code.  membarrier() can do
> the latter.
> 
> On arm64 and powerpc, one must flush the icache and then flush the pipeline
> on the target CPU, although the CPU manuals don't necessarily use this
> language.
> 
> So let's drop any pretense that we can have a generic way to define or
> implement membarrier's SYNC_CORE operation and instead require all
> architectures to define the helper and supply their own documentation as to
> how to use it.

Agreed. Documentation of the sequence of operations that need to be performed
when cross-modifying code on SMP should be per-architecture. The documentation
of the architectural effects of membarrier sync-core should be per-arch as well.

> This means x86, arm64, and powerpc for now.

And also arm32, as discussed in the other leg of the patchset's email thread.

> Let's also
> rename the function from sync_core_before_usermode() to
> membarrier_sync_core_before_usermode() because the precise flushing details
> may very well be specific to membarrier, and even the concept of
> "sync_core" in the kernel is mostly an x86-ism.

OK

> 
[...]
> 
> static void ipi_rseq(void *info)
> {
> @@ -368,12 +373,14 @@ static int membarrier_private_expedited(int flags, int
> cpu_id)
> 	smp_call_func_t ipi_func = ipi_mb;
> 
> 	if (flags == MEMBARRIER_FLAG_SYNC_CORE) {
> -		if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_MEMBARRIER_SYNC_CORE))
> +#ifndef CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_MEMBARRIER_SYNC_CORE
> 			return -EINVAL;
> +#else
> 		if (!(atomic_read(&mm->membarrier_state) &
> 		      MEMBARRIER_STATE_PRIVATE_EXPEDITED_SYNC_CORE_READY))
> 			return -EPERM;
> 		ipi_func = ipi_sync_core;
> +#endif

Please change back this #ifndef / #else / #endif within function for

if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_MEMBARRIER_SYNC_CORE)) {
  ...
} else {
  ...
}

I don't think mixing up preprocessor and code logic makes it more readable.

Thanks,

Mathieu

> 	} else if (flags == MEMBARRIER_FLAG_RSEQ) {
> 		if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_RSEQ))
> 			return -EINVAL;
> --
> 2.31.1

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, x86 <x86@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	stable <stable@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/8] membarrier: Rewrite sync_core_before_usermode() and improve documentation
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 10:47:57 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <827549827.10547.1623941277868.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <07a8b963002cb955b7516e61bad19514a3acaa82.1623813516.git.luto@kernel.org>

----- On Jun 15, 2021, at 11:21 PM, Andy Lutomirski luto@kernel.org wrote:

> The old sync_core_before_usermode() comments suggested that a non-icache-syncing
> return-to-usermode instruction is x86-specific and that all other
> architectures automatically notice cross-modified code on return to
> userspace.
> 
> This is misleading.  The incantation needed to modify code from one
> CPU and execute it on another CPU is highly architecture dependent.
> On x86, according to the SDM, one must modify the code, issue SFENCE
> if the modification was WC or nontemporal, and then issue a "serializing
> instruction" on the CPU that will execute the code.  membarrier() can do
> the latter.
> 
> On arm64 and powerpc, one must flush the icache and then flush the pipeline
> on the target CPU, although the CPU manuals don't necessarily use this
> language.
> 
> So let's drop any pretense that we can have a generic way to define or
> implement membarrier's SYNC_CORE operation and instead require all
> architectures to define the helper and supply their own documentation as to
> how to use it.

Agreed. Documentation of the sequence of operations that need to be performed
when cross-modifying code on SMP should be per-architecture. The documentation
of the architectural effects of membarrier sync-core should be per-arch as well.

> This means x86, arm64, and powerpc for now.

And also arm32, as discussed in the other leg of the patchset's email thread.

> Let's also
> rename the function from sync_core_before_usermode() to
> membarrier_sync_core_before_usermode() because the precise flushing details
> may very well be specific to membarrier, and even the concept of
> "sync_core" in the kernel is mostly an x86-ism.

OK

> 
[...]
> 
> static void ipi_rseq(void *info)
> {
> @@ -368,12 +373,14 @@ static int membarrier_private_expedited(int flags, int
> cpu_id)
> 	smp_call_func_t ipi_func = ipi_mb;
> 
> 	if (flags == MEMBARRIER_FLAG_SYNC_CORE) {
> -		if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_MEMBARRIER_SYNC_CORE))
> +#ifndef CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_MEMBARRIER_SYNC_CORE
> 			return -EINVAL;
> +#else
> 		if (!(atomic_read(&mm->membarrier_state) &
> 		      MEMBARRIER_STATE_PRIVATE_EXPEDITED_SYNC_CORE_READY))
> 			return -EPERM;
> 		ipi_func = ipi_sync_core;
> +#endif

Please change back this #ifndef / #else / #endif within function for

if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_MEMBARRIER_SYNC_CORE)) {
  ...
} else {
  ...
}

I don't think mixing up preprocessor and code logic makes it more readable.

Thanks,

Mathieu

> 	} else if (flags == MEMBARRIER_FLAG_RSEQ) {
> 		if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_RSEQ))
> 			return -EINVAL;
> --
> 2.31.1

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: x86 <x86@kernel.org>, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	 linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	 Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	 Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	 linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	 Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	 Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	 linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	 Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	stable <stable@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/8] membarrier: Rewrite sync_core_before_usermode() and improve documentation
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 10:47:57 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <827549827.10547.1623941277868.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <07a8b963002cb955b7516e61bad19514a3acaa82.1623813516.git.luto@kernel.org>

----- On Jun 15, 2021, at 11:21 PM, Andy Lutomirski luto@kernel.org wrote:

> The old sync_core_before_usermode() comments suggested that a non-icache-syncing
> return-to-usermode instruction is x86-specific and that all other
> architectures automatically notice cross-modified code on return to
> userspace.
> 
> This is misleading.  The incantation needed to modify code from one
> CPU and execute it on another CPU is highly architecture dependent.
> On x86, according to the SDM, one must modify the code, issue SFENCE
> if the modification was WC or nontemporal, and then issue a "serializing
> instruction" on the CPU that will execute the code.  membarrier() can do
> the latter.
> 
> On arm64 and powerpc, one must flush the icache and then flush the pipeline
> on the target CPU, although the CPU manuals don't necessarily use this
> language.
> 
> So let's drop any pretense that we can have a generic way to define or
> implement membarrier's SYNC_CORE operation and instead require all
> architectures to define the helper and supply their own documentation as to
> how to use it.

Agreed. Documentation of the sequence of operations that need to be performed
when cross-modifying code on SMP should be per-architecture. The documentation
of the architectural effects of membarrier sync-core should be per-arch as well.

> This means x86, arm64, and powerpc for now.

And also arm32, as discussed in the other leg of the patchset's email thread.

> Let's also
> rename the function from sync_core_before_usermode() to
> membarrier_sync_core_before_usermode() because the precise flushing details
> may very well be specific to membarrier, and even the concept of
> "sync_core" in the kernel is mostly an x86-ism.

OK

> 
[...]
> 
> static void ipi_rseq(void *info)
> {
> @@ -368,12 +373,14 @@ static int membarrier_private_expedited(int flags, int
> cpu_id)
> 	smp_call_func_t ipi_func = ipi_mb;
> 
> 	if (flags == MEMBARRIER_FLAG_SYNC_CORE) {
> -		if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_MEMBARRIER_SYNC_CORE))
> +#ifndef CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_MEMBARRIER_SYNC_CORE
> 			return -EINVAL;
> +#else
> 		if (!(atomic_read(&mm->membarrier_state) &
> 		      MEMBARRIER_STATE_PRIVATE_EXPEDITED_SYNC_CORE_READY))
> 			return -EPERM;
> 		ipi_func = ipi_sync_core;
> +#endif

Please change back this #ifndef / #else / #endif within function for

if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_MEMBARRIER_SYNC_CORE)) {
  ...
} else {
  ...
}

I don't think mixing up preprocessor and code logic makes it more readable.

Thanks,

Mathieu

> 	} else if (flags == MEMBARRIER_FLAG_RSEQ) {
> 		if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_RSEQ))
> 			return -EINVAL;
> --
> 2.31.1

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-06-17 14:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 165+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-16  3:21 [PATCH 0/8] membarrier cleanups Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  3:21 ` [PATCH 1/8] membarrier: Document why membarrier() works Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  4:00   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16  7:30     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17 23:45       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  3:21 ` [PATCH 2/8] x86/mm: Handle unlazying membarrier core sync in the arch code Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  4:25   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16 18:31     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16 17:49   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-16 17:49     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-16 18:31     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  3:21 ` [PATCH 3/8] membarrier: Remove membarrier_arch_switch_mm() prototype in core code Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  4:26   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16 17:52   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-16 17:52     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-16  3:21 ` [PATCH 4/8] membarrier: Make the post-switch-mm barrier explicit Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  4:19   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16  7:35     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-16 18:41       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17  1:37         ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17  2:57           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17  5:32             ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17  6:51               ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17 23:49                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-19  2:53                   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-19  3:20                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-19  4:27                       ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17  9:08               ` [RFC][PATCH] sched: Use lightweight hazard pointers to grab lazy mms Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17  9:10                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17 10:00                   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17  9:13                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17 14:06                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17  9:28                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17 14:03                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17 14:10                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17 15:45                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-18  3:29                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-06-18  5:04                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17 15:02               ` [PATCH 4/8] membarrier: Make the post-switch-mm barrier explicit Paul E. McKenney
2021-06-18  0:06                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18  3:35                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-06-17  8:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-16  3:21 ` [PATCH 5/8] membarrier, kthread: Use _ONCE accessors for task->mm Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  4:28   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16 18:08   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-16 18:08     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-16 18:45     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  3:21 ` [PATCH 6/8] powerpc/membarrier: Remove special barrier on mm switch Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  3:21   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  4:36   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16  4:36     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16  3:21 ` [PATCH 7/8] membarrier: Remove arm (32) support for SYNC_CORE Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  3:21   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  9:28   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-16  9:28     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-16 10:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-16 10:16     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-16 10:20     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-16 10:20       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-16 10:34       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-16 10:34         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-16 11:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-16 11:10           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-16 13:22           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-16 13:22             ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-16 15:04             ` Catalin Marinas
2021-06-16 15:04               ` Catalin Marinas
2021-06-16 15:23               ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-16 15:23                 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-16 15:45                 ` Catalin Marinas
2021-06-16 15:45                   ` Catalin Marinas
2021-06-16 16:00                   ` Catalin Marinas
2021-06-16 16:00                     ` Catalin Marinas
2021-06-16 16:27                     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-16 16:27                       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-17  8:55                       ` Krzysztof Hałasa
2021-06-17  8:55                         ` Krzysztof Hałasa
2021-06-17  8:55                         ` Krzysztof Hałasa
2021-06-18 12:54                       ` Linus Walleij
2021-06-18 12:54                         ` Linus Walleij
2021-06-18 12:54                         ` Linus Walleij
2021-06-18 13:19                         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-18 13:19                           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-18 13:36                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-06-18 13:36                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-06-18 13:36                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-06-17 10:40   ` Mark Rutland
2021-06-17 10:40     ` Mark Rutland
2021-06-17 11:23     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-17 11:23       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2021-06-17 11:33       ` Mark Rutland
2021-06-17 11:33         ` Mark Rutland
2021-06-17 13:41         ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17 13:41           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17 13:51           ` Mark Rutland
2021-06-17 13:51             ` Mark Rutland
2021-06-17 14:00             ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17 14:00               ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17 14:20               ` Mark Rutland
2021-06-17 14:20                 ` Mark Rutland
2021-06-17 15:01               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17 15:01                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17 15:13                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17 15:13                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17 14:16             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-17 14:16               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-17 14:05           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-17 14:05             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-06-18  0:07   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18  0:07     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  3:21 ` [PATCH 8/8] membarrier: Rewrite sync_core_before_usermode() and improve documentation Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  3:21   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  3:21   ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16  4:45   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16  4:45     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16  4:45     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-16 18:52     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16 18:52       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16 18:52       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16 23:48       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16 23:48         ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16 23:48         ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18 15:27       ` Christophe Leroy
2021-06-18 15:27         ` Christophe Leroy
2021-06-18 15:27         ` Christophe Leroy
2021-06-16 10:20   ` Will Deacon
2021-06-16 10:20     ` Will Deacon
2021-06-16 10:20     ` Will Deacon
2021-06-16 23:58     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16 23:58       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-16 23:58       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-17 14:47   ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2021-06-17 14:47     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-17 14:47     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-17 14:47     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-18  0:12     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18  0:12       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18  0:12       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18 16:31       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-18 16:31         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-18 16:31         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-18 16:31         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-18 19:58         ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18 19:58           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18 19:58           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18 20:09           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-18 20:09             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-18 20:09             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-18 20:09             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-19  6:02             ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-19  6:02               ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-19  6:02               ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-19 15:50               ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-19 15:50                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-19 15:50                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-20  2:10                 ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-20  2:10                   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-20  2:10                   ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-06-17 15:16   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-17 15:16     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-17 15:16     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-17 15:16     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-06-18  0:13     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18  0:13       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-06-18  0:13       ` Andy Lutomirski

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