From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@google.com> To: Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@huawei.com> Cc: linux-integrity <linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org>, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, silviu.vlasceanu@huawei.com Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/15] ima: digest list feature Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 10:48:56 -0500 [thread overview] Message-ID: <CACdnJut0-4k97m0TM-Zd4jLPTraBe6_JoE-eznFYKwbPEmNS0Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <e879759b-d866-e3e3-b070-3025baf3454d@huawei.com> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@huawei.com> wrote: > On 11/7/2017 7:06 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> But we're still left in a state where the kernel has to end up >> supporting a number of very niche formats, and userland agility is >> tied to the kernel. I think it makes significantly more sense to push >> the problem out to userland. > > > At least for appraisal, digest lists must be parsed by the kernel. If > the parser is moved to userspace, I don't know if we are able to provide > the same guarantee, that the correct set of digests has been uploaded to > IMA. A new measurement can be added, when IMA receives the digests, but > a verifier has to verify the signature of the original file, perform > format conversion, calculate the digest and compare it with that in the > new IMA measurement. If digest lists are parsed directly by the kernel, > then the signature can be verified directly. The code doing the parsing is in the initramfs, which has already been measured at boot time. You can guarantee that it's being done by trusted code. >> Isn't failing to upload the expected digest list just a DoS? We >> already expect to load keys from initramfs, so it seems fine to parse >> stuff there - what's the problem with extracting information from >> RPMs, translating them to the generic format and pushing that into the >> kernel? > > > The main problem is that the digest list measurement, performed when the > parser accesses the file containing the RPM header, might not reflect > what IMA uses for digest lookup. Why not?
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From: mjg59@google.com (Matthew Garrett) To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org Subject: [PATCH v2 00/15] ima: digest list feature Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 10:48:56 -0500 [thread overview] Message-ID: <CACdnJut0-4k97m0TM-Zd4jLPTraBe6_JoE-eznFYKwbPEmNS0Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <e879759b-d866-e3e3-b070-3025baf3454d@huawei.com> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@huawei.com> wrote: > On 11/7/2017 7:06 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> But we're still left in a state where the kernel has to end up >> supporting a number of very niche formats, and userland agility is >> tied to the kernel. I think it makes significantly more sense to push >> the problem out to userland. > > > At least for appraisal, digest lists must be parsed by the kernel. If > the parser is moved to userspace, I don't know if we are able to provide > the same guarantee, that the correct set of digests has been uploaded to > IMA. A new measurement can be added, when IMA receives the digests, but > a verifier has to verify the signature of the original file, perform > format conversion, calculate the digest and compare it with that in the > new IMA measurement. If digest lists are parsed directly by the kernel, > then the signature can be verified directly. The code doing the parsing is in the initramfs, which has already been measured at boot time. You can guarantee that it's being done by trusted code. >> Isn't failing to upload the expected digest list just a DoS? We >> already expect to load keys from initramfs, so it seems fine to parse >> stuff there - what's the problem with extracting information from >> RPMs, translating them to the generic format and pushing that into the >> kernel? > > > The main problem is that the digest list measurement, performed when the > parser accesses the file containing the RPM header, might not reflect > what IMA uses for digest lookup. Why not? -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-security-module" in the body of a message to majordomo at vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-11-08 15:49 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2017-11-07 10:36 [PATCH v2 00/15] ima: digest list feature Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:36 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:36 ` [PATCH v2 01/15] ima: generalize ima_read_policy() Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:36 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:36 ` [PATCH v2 02/15] ima: generalize ima_write_policy() Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:36 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:36 ` [PATCH v2 03/15] ima: generalize policy file operations Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:36 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:36 ` [PATCH v2 04/15] ima: use ima_show_htable_value to show hash table data Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:36 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` [PATCH v2 05/15] ima: add functions to manage digest lists Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` [PATCH v2 06/15] ima: add parser of digest lists metadata Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-18 4:20 ` Serge E. Hallyn 2017-11-18 4:20 ` Serge E. Hallyn 2017-11-18 23:23 ` Mimi Zohar 2017-11-18 23:23 ` Mimi Zohar 2017-11-20 9:40 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-20 9:40 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-20 13:53 ` Mimi Zohar 2017-11-20 13:53 ` Mimi Zohar 2017-11-20 13:53 ` Mimi Zohar 2017-11-20 16:52 ` Serge E. Hallyn 2017-11-20 16:52 ` Serge E. Hallyn 2017-11-20 16:52 ` Serge E. Hallyn 2017-11-20 16:52 ` Serge E. Hallyn 2017-11-07 10:37 ` [PATCH v2 07/15] ima: add parser of compact digest list Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` [PATCH v2 08/15] ima: add parser of RPM package headers Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` [PATCH v2 09/15] ima: introduce securityfs interfaces for digest lists Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` [PATCH v2 10/15] ima: disable digest lookup if digest lists are not checked Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` [PATCH v2 11/15] ima: add policy action digest_list Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` [PATCH v2 12/15] ima: do not update security.ima if appraisal status is not INTEGRITY_PASS Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-18 4:25 ` Serge E. Hallyn 2017-11-18 4:25 ` Serge E. Hallyn 2017-11-07 10:37 ` [PATCH v2 13/15] evm: add kernel command line option to select protected xattrs Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` [PATCH v2 14/15] ima: add support for appraisal with digest lists Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` [PATCH v2 15/15] ima: add Documentation/security/IMA-digest-lists.txt Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 10:37 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 13:37 ` [PATCH v2 00/15] ima: digest list feature Mimi Zohar 2017-11-07 13:37 ` Mimi Zohar 2017-11-07 13:37 ` Mimi Zohar 2017-11-07 16:45 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 16:45 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 16:45 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-17 1:08 ` Kees Cook 2017-11-17 1:08 ` Kees Cook 2017-11-17 8:55 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-17 8:55 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-17 12:21 ` Mimi Zohar 2017-11-17 12:21 ` Mimi Zohar 2017-11-17 12:21 ` Mimi Zohar 2017-11-07 14:49 ` Matthew Garrett 2017-11-07 14:49 ` Matthew Garrett 2017-11-07 17:53 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 17:53 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-07 18:06 ` Matthew Garrett 2017-11-07 18:06 ` Matthew Garrett 2017-11-08 12:00 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-08 12:00 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-08 15:48 ` Matthew Garrett [this message] 2017-11-08 15:48 ` Matthew Garrett 2017-11-09 9:51 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-09 9:51 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-09 14:47 ` Matthew Garrett 2017-11-09 14:47 ` Matthew Garrett 2017-11-09 16:13 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-09 16:13 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-09 16:46 ` Matthew Garrett 2017-11-09 16:46 ` Matthew Garrett 2017-11-09 17:23 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-09 17:23 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-09 16:17 ` Mimi Zohar 2017-11-09 16:17 ` Mimi Zohar 2017-11-09 16:17 ` Mimi Zohar 2017-11-07 18:03 ` Safford, David (GE Global Research, US) 2017-11-07 18:03 ` Safford, David (GE Global Research, US) 2017-11-07 18:03 ` Safford, David (GE Global Research, US) 2017-11-08 10:16 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-08 10:16 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-11-08 10:16 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-12-05 22:03 ` Ken Goldman 2017-12-05 22:03 ` Ken Goldman 2017-12-06 9:13 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-12-06 9:13 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-12-08 21:59 ` Ken Goldman 2017-12-11 8:26 ` Roberto Sassu 2017-12-22 15:56 ` Ken Goldman
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