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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>
Cc: "Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Andi Kleen" <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	"Aneesh Kumar" <aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Catalin Marinas" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Hillf Danton" <hdanton@sina.com>, "Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"Jesse Barnes" <jsbarnes@google.com>,
	"Johannes Weiner" <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Mel Gorman" <mgorman@suse.de>,
	"Michael Larabel" <Michael@michaellarabel.com>,
	"Michal Hocko" <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	"Mike Rapoport" <rppt@kernel.org>,
	"Rik van Riel" <riel@surriel.com>,
	"Vlastimil Babka" <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
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	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	page-reclaim@google.com,
	"the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"Brian Geffon" <bgeffon@google.com>,
	"Jan Alexander Steffens" <heftig@archlinux.org>,
	"Oleksandr Natalenko" <oleksandr@natalenko.name>,
	"Steven Barrett" <steven@liquorix.net>,
	"Suleiman Souhlal" <suleiman@google.com>,
	"Daniel Byrne" <djbyrne@mtu.edu>,
	"Donald Carr" <d@chaos-reins.com>,
	"Holger Hoffstätte" <holger@applied-asynchrony.com>,
	"Konstantin Kharlamov" <Hi-Angel@yandex.ru>,
	"Shuang Zhai" <szhai2@cs.rochester.edu>,
	"Sofia Trinh" <sofia.trinh@edi.works>,
	"Vaibhav Jain" <vaibhav@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 06/14] mm: multi-gen LRU: minimal implementation
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 16:02:29 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wiW0riV3Di3r8s-z0VNyn71q8cHfZqbSM3-9LvwjNjJOg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220308234723.3834941-7-yuzhao@google.com>

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 3:48 PM Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com> wrote:
> +
> +config TIERS_PER_GEN
> +       int "Number of tiers per generation"
> +       depends on LRU_GEN
> +       range 2 4
> +       default 4
> +       help
> +         Do not decrease this value unless you run out of spare bits in page
> +         flags, i.e., you see the "Not enough bits in page flags" build error.
> +
> +         This option uses N-2 bits in page flags.

Exact same issue as with the previous patch. Don't ask things like
this. Most *definitely* don't ask things like this if they can cause
build errors.

Just set the tiers to 4, and make sure that the number of generations
is small enough that the "Not enough bits in page flags" build error
just cannot happen.

This kind of "ask people questions they cannot sanely answer" is not acceptable.

And build errors that depend on configuration also aren't acceptable.

End result: DO NOT DO THIS.

The whole "ask user a question that you can't answer yourself" is an
actively wrong cop-out.

If you can't answer it, then the user sure as hell can't either, and
the question is pure garbage and only results in more problems and
less coherent testing.

                      Linus

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>
Cc: "Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Andi Kleen" <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	"Aneesh Kumar" <aneesh.kumar@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Catalin Marinas" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Hillf Danton" <hdanton@sina.com>, "Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"Jesse Barnes" <jsbarnes@google.com>,
	"Johannes Weiner" <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Mel Gorman" <mgorman@suse.de>,
	"Michael Larabel" <Michael@michaellarabel.com>,
	"Michal Hocko" <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	"Mike Rapoport" <rppt@kernel.org>,
	"Rik van Riel" <riel@surriel.com>,
	"Vlastimil Babka" <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
	"Ying Huang" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	"Linux ARM" <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	page-reclaim@google.com,
	"the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"Brian Geffon" <bgeffon@google.com>,
	"Jan Alexander Steffens" <heftig@archlinux.org>,
	"Oleksandr Natalenko" <oleksandr@natalenko.name>,
	"Steven Barrett" <steven@liquorix.net>,
	"Suleiman Souhlal" <suleiman@google.com>,
	"Daniel Byrne" <djbyrne@mtu.edu>,
	"Donald Carr" <d@chaos-reins.com>,
	"Holger Hoffstätte" <holger@applied-asynchrony.com>,
	"Konstantin Kharlamov" <Hi-Angel@yandex.ru>,
	"Shuang Zhai" <szhai2@cs.rochester.edu>,
	"Sofia Trinh" <sofia.trinh@edi.works>,
	"Vaibhav Jain" <vaibhav@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 06/14] mm: multi-gen LRU: minimal implementation
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 16:02:29 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wiW0riV3Di3r8s-z0VNyn71q8cHfZqbSM3-9LvwjNjJOg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220308234723.3834941-7-yuzhao@google.com>

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 3:48 PM Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com> wrote:
> +
> +config TIERS_PER_GEN
> +       int "Number of tiers per generation"
> +       depends on LRU_GEN
> +       range 2 4
> +       default 4
> +       help
> +         Do not decrease this value unless you run out of spare bits in page
> +         flags, i.e., you see the "Not enough bits in page flags" build error.
> +
> +         This option uses N-2 bits in page flags.

Exact same issue as with the previous patch. Don't ask things like
this. Most *definitely* don't ask things like this if they can cause
build errors.

Just set the tiers to 4, and make sure that the number of generations
is small enough that the "Not enough bits in page flags" build error
just cannot happen.

This kind of "ask people questions they cannot sanely answer" is not acceptable.

And build errors that depend on configuration also aren't acceptable.

End result: DO NOT DO THIS.

The whole "ask user a question that you can't answer yourself" is an
actively wrong cop-out.

If you can't answer it, then the user sure as hell can't either, and
the question is pure garbage and only results in more problems and
less coherent testing.

                      Linus

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-09  1:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-08 23:47 [PATCH v8 00/14] Multi-Gen LRU Framework Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47 ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47 ` [PATCH v8 01/14] mm: x86, arm64: add arch_has_hw_pte_young() Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47   ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47 ` [PATCH v8 02/14] mm: x86: add CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_NONLEAF_PMD_YOUNG Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47   ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47 ` [PATCH v8 03/14] mm/vmscan.c: refactor shrink_node() Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47   ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47 ` [PATCH v8 04/14] Revert "include/linux/mm_inline.h: fold __update_lru_size() into its sole caller" Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47   ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47 ` [PATCH v8 05/14] mm: multi-gen LRU: groundwork Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47   ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:58   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-08 23:58     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-08 23:47 ` [PATCH v8 06/14] mm: multi-gen LRU: minimal implementation Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47   ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-09  0:02   ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2022-03-09  0:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-08 23:47 ` [PATCH v8 07/14] mm: multi-gen LRU: exploit locality in rmap Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47   ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47 ` [PATCH v8 08/14] mm: multi-gen LRU: support page table walks Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47   ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47 ` [PATCH v8 09/14] mm: multi-gen LRU: optimize multiple memcgs Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47   ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47 ` [PATCH v8 10/14] mm: multi-gen LRU: kill switch Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47   ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47 ` [PATCH v8 11/14] mm: multi-gen LRU: thrashing prevention Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47   ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47 ` [PATCH v8 12/14] mm: multi-gen LRU: debugfs interface Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47   ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47 ` [PATCH v8 13/14] mm: multi-gen LRU: admin guide Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47   ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47 ` [PATCH v8 14/14] mm: multi-gen LRU: design doc Yu Zhao
2022-03-08 23:47   ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-09  0:06 ` [PATCH v8 00/14] Multi-Gen LRU Framework Linus Torvalds
2022-03-09  0:06   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-09  0:14   ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-09  0:14     ` Yu Zhao
2022-03-09  0:29     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-09  0:29       ` Linus Torvalds

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