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From: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
To: adrian@parity.io
Cc: "open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
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	dgunigun@redhat.com, vijaysun@ca.ibm.com, oridgar@gmail.com,
	ghammer@redhat.com, Adrian Catangiu <acatan@amazon.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 2/2] drivers/virt: vmgenid: add vm generation id driver
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 23:17:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHmME9poYgfoniexZ2dvpEEvnWGLQTOjOvB2bck-Whhy9h+Hjw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHmME9o6cjZT1Cj1g5w5WQE83YxJNqB7eUCWn74FA9Pbb3Y6nQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey again,

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 10:24 PM Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com> wrote:
> This thread seems to be long dead, but I couldn't figure out what
> happened to the ideas in it. I'm specifically interested in this part:
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 9:48 AM Adrian Catangiu <acatan@amazon.com> wrote:
> > +static void vmgenid_acpi_notify(struct acpi_device *device, u32 event)
> > +{
> > +       uuid_t old_uuid;
> > +
> > +       if (!device || acpi_driver_data(device) != &vmgenid_data) {
> > +               pr_err("VMGENID notify with unexpected driver private data\n");
> > +               return;
> > +       }
> > +
> > +       /* update VM Generation UUID */
> > +       old_uuid = vmgenid_data.uuid;
> > +       memcpy_fromio(&vmgenid_data.uuid, vmgenid_data.uuid_iomap, sizeof(uuid_t));
> > +
> > +       if (memcmp(&old_uuid, &vmgenid_data.uuid, sizeof(uuid_t))) {
> > +               /* HW uuid updated */
> > +               sysgenid_bump_generation();
> > +               add_device_randomness(&vmgenid_data.uuid, sizeof(uuid_t));
> > +       }
> > +}
>
> As Jann mentioned in an earlier email, we probably want this to
> immediately reseed the crng, not just dump it into
> add_device_randomness alone. But either way, the general idea seems
> interesting to me. As far as I can tell, QEMU still supports this. Was
> it not deemed to be sufficiently interesting?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason

Well I cleaned up this v7 and refactored it into something along the
lines of what I'm thinking. I don't yet know enough about this general
problem space to propose the patch and I haven't tested it either, but
in case you're curious, something along the lines of what I'm thinking
about lives at https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/crng/random.git/commit/?h=jd/vmgenid
if you (or somebody else) feels inclined to pick this up.

Looking forward to learning more from you in general, though, about
what the deal is with the VM gen ID, and if this is a real thing or
not.

Regards,
Jason

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From: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
To: adrian@parity.io
Cc: areber@redhat.com, KVM list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	ghammer@redhat.com, vijaysun@ca.ibm.com, 0x7f454c46@gmail.com,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	dgunigun@redhat.com, avagin@gmail.com,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	ptikhomirov@virtuozzo.com, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
	borntraeger@de.ibm.com, "Singh, Balbir" <sblbir@amazon.com>,
	bonzini@gnu.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, "Weiss, Radu" <raduweis@amazon.com>,
	asmehra@redhat.com, Adrian Catangiu <acatan@amazon.com>,
	graf@amazon.com, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	gil@azul.com, oridgar@gmail.com,
	Colm MacCarthaigh <colmmacc@amazon.com>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	ovzxemul@gmail.com, "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>, "Woodhouse, David" <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 2/2] drivers/virt: vmgenid: add vm generation id driver
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 23:17:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHmME9poYgfoniexZ2dvpEEvnWGLQTOjOvB2bck-Whhy9h+Hjw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHmME9o6cjZT1Cj1g5w5WQE83YxJNqB7eUCWn74FA9Pbb3Y6nQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey again,

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 10:24 PM Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com> wrote:
> This thread seems to be long dead, but I couldn't figure out what
> happened to the ideas in it. I'm specifically interested in this part:
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 9:48 AM Adrian Catangiu <acatan@amazon.com> wrote:
> > +static void vmgenid_acpi_notify(struct acpi_device *device, u32 event)
> > +{
> > +       uuid_t old_uuid;
> > +
> > +       if (!device || acpi_driver_data(device) != &vmgenid_data) {
> > +               pr_err("VMGENID notify with unexpected driver private data\n");
> > +               return;
> > +       }
> > +
> > +       /* update VM Generation UUID */
> > +       old_uuid = vmgenid_data.uuid;
> > +       memcpy_fromio(&vmgenid_data.uuid, vmgenid_data.uuid_iomap, sizeof(uuid_t));
> > +
> > +       if (memcmp(&old_uuid, &vmgenid_data.uuid, sizeof(uuid_t))) {
> > +               /* HW uuid updated */
> > +               sysgenid_bump_generation();
> > +               add_device_randomness(&vmgenid_data.uuid, sizeof(uuid_t));
> > +       }
> > +}
>
> As Jann mentioned in an earlier email, we probably want this to
> immediately reseed the crng, not just dump it into
> add_device_randomness alone. But either way, the general idea seems
> interesting to me. As far as I can tell, QEMU still supports this. Was
> it not deemed to be sufficiently interesting?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason

Well I cleaned up this v7 and refactored it into something along the
lines of what I'm thinking. I don't yet know enough about this general
problem space to propose the patch and I haven't tested it either, but
in case you're curious, something along the lines of what I'm thinking
about lives at https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/crng/random.git/commit/?h=jd/vmgenid
if you (or somebody else) feels inclined to pick this up.

Looking forward to learning more from you in general, though, about
what the deal is with the VM gen ID, and if this is a real thing or
not.

Regards,
Jason


  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-22 22:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-24  8:47 [PATCH v7 0/2] System Generation ID driver and VMGENID backend Adrian Catangiu
2021-02-24  8:47 ` Adrian Catangiu
2021-02-24  8:47 ` [PATCH v7 1/2] drivers/misc: sysgenid: add system generation id driver Adrian Catangiu
2021-02-24  8:47   ` Adrian Catangiu
2021-02-24  9:19   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24  9:19     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24 13:45     ` Alexander Graf
2021-02-24 13:45       ` Alexander Graf
2021-02-24 22:41       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24 22:41         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24 23:22         ` Alexander Graf
2021-02-24  8:47 ` [PATCH v7 2/2] drivers/virt: vmgenid: add vm " Adrian Catangiu
2021-02-24  8:47   ` Adrian Catangiu
2022-02-22 21:24   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-22 21:24     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-22 22:17     ` Jason A. Donenfeld [this message]
2022-02-22 22:17       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-23 13:21       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-02-23 13:21         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2021-02-24  9:05 ` [PATCH v7 0/2] System Generation ID driver and VMGENID backend Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-02-24  9:05   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-03-04 20:08   ` Catangiu, Adrian Costin

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