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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Mark Brown <broonie-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Tomeu Vizoso
	<tomeu.vizoso-ZGY8ohtN/8qB+jHODAdFcQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List
	<linux-acpi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	dri-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org,
	linux-fbdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-gpio-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	"devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-pwm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw-LthD3rsA81gm4RdzfppkhA@public.gmane.org>,
	alsa-devel-K7yf7f+aM1XWsZ/bQMPhNw@public.gmane.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman
	<gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 01/12] device: property: delay device-driver matches
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 01:41:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJZ5v0gMx=DA0f8i9wdMvkYTyOhr0WKh-T6L7rjcxeaAjNMW3g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150716202312.GD11162-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>

Hi Mark,

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Mark Brown <broonie-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 11:40:56AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>
>> Delay matches of platform devices until late_initcall, when we are sure
>> that all built-in drivers have been registered already. This is needed
>> to prevent deferred probes because of some dependencies' drivers not
>> having registered yet.
>
> I have to say I'm still not 100% clear that special casing platform
> devices makes sense here - I can see that platform devices are usually
> the first devices to instantiate but there are other kinds of devices
> and it's not obvious what the benefit of specifically picking out
> platform devices as opposed to just deferring all devices is.

Some existing devices cannot be deferred without redesigning things quite a bit.

What I was talking about, though, was to use an opt-in mechanism for
that which could be set for all platform devices, for example, by
default, but it might be set for other bus types too if that's useful.

Thanks,
Rafael
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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu.vizoso@collabora.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-pwm@vger.kernel.org,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	alsa-devel@alsa-project.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 01/12] device: property: delay device-driver matches
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 01:41:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJZ5v0gMx=DA0f8i9wdMvkYTyOhr0WKh-T6L7rjcxeaAjNMW3g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150716202312.GD11162@sirena.org.uk>

Hi Mark,

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 11:40:56AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>
>> Delay matches of platform devices until late_initcall, when we are sure
>> that all built-in drivers have been registered already. This is needed
>> to prevent deferred probes because of some dependencies' drivers not
>> having registered yet.
>
> I have to say I'm still not 100% clear that special casing platform
> devices makes sense here - I can see that platform devices are usually
> the first devices to instantiate but there are other kinds of devices
> and it's not obvious what the benefit of specifically picking out
> platform devices as opposed to just deferring all devices is.

Some existing devices cannot be deferred without redesigning things quite a bit.

What I was talking about, though, was to use an opt-in mechanism for
that which could be set for all platform devices, for example, by
default, but it might be set for other bus types too if that's useful.

Thanks,
Rafael

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
To: Mark Brown <broonie-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Tomeu Vizoso
	<tomeu.vizoso-ZGY8ohtN/8qB+jHODAdFcQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List
	<linux-acpi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	dri-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org,
	linux-fbdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-gpio-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	"devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-pwm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw-LthD3rsA81gm4RdzfppkhA@public.gmane.org>,
	alsa-devel-K7yf7f+aM1XWsZ/bQMPhNw@public.gmane.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman
	<gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 01/12] device: property: delay device-driver matches
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 23:41:16 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJZ5v0gMx=DA0f8i9wdMvkYTyOhr0WKh-T6L7rjcxeaAjNMW3g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150716202312.GD11162-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>

Hi Mark,

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 11:40:56AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>
>> Delay matches of platform devices until late_initcall, when we are sure
>> that all built-in drivers have been registered already. This is needed
>> to prevent deferred probes because of some dependencies' drivers not
>> having registered yet.
>
> I have to say I'm still not 100% clear that special casing platform
> devices makes sense here - I can see that platform devices are usually
> the first devices to instantiate but there are other kinds of devices
> and it's not obvious what the benefit of specifically picking out
> platform devices as opposed to just deferring all devices is.

Some existing devices cannot be deferred without redesigning things quite a bit.

What I was talking about, though, was to use an opt-in mechanism for
that which could be set for all platform devices, for example, by
default, but it might be set for other bus types too if that's useful.

Thanks,
Rafael

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-07-16 23:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-01  9:40 [PATCH v2 0/12] Discover and probe dependencies Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:40 ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:40 ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:40 ` [PATCH v2 01/12] device: property: delay device-driver matches Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:40   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:40   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01 23:29   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-01 23:29     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-10 11:39     ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-10 11:39       ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-10 11:39       ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-16 20:23   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 20:23     ` Mark Brown
     [not found]     ` <20150716202312.GD11162-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16 23:41       ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2015-07-16 23:41         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-16 23:41         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-17  0:06         ` Mark Brown
2015-07-17  0:06           ` Mark Brown
2015-07-01  9:40 ` [PATCH v2 02/12] device: property: find dependencies of a firmware node Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:40   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:40   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01 23:36   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-02  0:02     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-10 13:14     ` [alsa-devel] " Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-10 13:14       ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-10 13:14       ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-11  2:52       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-11  2:52         ` [alsa-devel] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-11  2:52         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-01  9:40 ` [PATCH v2 03/12] string: Introduce strends() Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:40   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:40   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:40 ` [PATCH v2 04/12] gpio: register dependency parser for firmware nodes Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:40   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:40   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41 ` [PATCH v2 05/12] gpu: host1x: " Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41 ` [PATCH v2 06/12] backlight: Document consumers of backlight nodes Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41 ` [PATCH v2 07/12] backlight: register dependency parser for firmware nodes Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41 ` [PATCH v2 08/12] USB: EHCI: " Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41 ` [PATCH v2 09/12] regulator: " Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-16 21:38   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 21:38     ` Mark Brown
2015-07-01  9:41 ` [PATCH v2 10/12] pwm: " Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41 ` [PATCH v2 11/12] ASoC: tegra: " Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01 17:38   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-01 17:38     ` Mark Brown
2015-07-13 12:10     ` [alsa-devel] " Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-13 12:10       ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-13 12:10       ` Tomeu Vizoso
     [not found]       ` <CAAObsKDsEuDS46rW9CMuviDEDV-OVXe5q-kiWmw0D_n2D3Tf5A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-13 15:42         ` Mark Brown
2015-07-13 15:42           ` Mark Brown
2015-07-13 15:42           ` Mark Brown
2015-07-14  7:34           ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-14  7:34             ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-14  7:34             ` Tomeu Vizoso
     [not found]             ` <CAAObsKAVY7-QpcRyT4juc2RyB+vqibvzKO7wFCT2VsL9R8bzPw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 11:07               ` Mark Brown
2015-07-14 11:07                 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-14 11:07                 ` Mark Brown
2015-07-14 12:47                 ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-14 12:47                   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-14 12:47                   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-16 23:04                   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-16 23:04                     ` Mark Brown
2015-07-01  9:41 ` [PATCH v2 12/12] driver-core: probe dependencies before probing Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41   ` Tomeu Vizoso
2015-07-01  9:41   ` Tomeu Vizoso

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