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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Todd E Brandt <todd.e.brandt@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Phillip Susi <psusi@ubuntu.com>, Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	SCSI development list <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Disk spin-up optimization during system resume
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 09:57:47 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1401170951270.1162-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140116220409.GA1183@linux.intel.com>

On Thu, 16 Jan 2014, Todd E Brandt wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 03:05:40PM -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Jan 2014, Todd E Brandt wrote:
> > 
> > > > Does this plan sound reasonable to everyone?  Are there important
> > > > aspects I haven't considered (such as interactions between the SCSI and
> > > > ATA layers)?
> > > > 
> > > > Alan Stern
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Both approaches employ non-blocking resume of the scsi disks so why don't
> > > we treat these two patch sets as parts one and two. My patch just spins
> > > everything up but sets everything to non-blocking, so it will take care
> > > of the most common use cases. Your patch will then fine-tune that behavior
> > > to only spin up those disks that are actually needed. I don't think there
> > > are any serious conflicts between the two patch sets.
> > 
> > Hmmm.  In your 2/2 patch, sd_resume_complete() gets called in atomic
> > context.  I would need a process context in order to carry out a
> > runtime resume.  Any suggestions?
> 
> The complete call is really just there to printk any errors and free
> the sense buffer. Why would you want to carry out a runtime resume in
> it?

>From my earlier message:

 	Otherwise, check to see whether the disk is spinning up all
 	by itself.  This presumably will involve issuing a TEST UNIT
 	READY command and checking the sense data.  Maybe something
 	different will be needed for ATA disks; I don't know.
 
 	If the disk is spinning, or if you can't tell, call
 	pm_runtime_resume() to put the disk back into the
 	RPM_ACTIVE state (and spin it up in the case where you 
 	couldn't tell what it was doing).

As you can see, the runtime resume is carried out in the completion
routine for the TEST UNIT READY command.  Since the command is likely
to take a long time (Phillip said it can take up to 10 seconds for ATA
disks), we want it to be asynchronous, like the START-STOP command.

> > Also, I don't understand the point of your 1/2 patch.  If the whole
> > point of that patch was to carry out the ATA port resume asynchronously
> > ("thus allowing the next device in the pm queue to resume"), doesn't
> > device_enable_async_suspend() already do that for you?
> > 
> > Alan Stern
> > 
> 
> The device_enable_async_suspend call is used to set a pm flag which lets
> the power manager know that this device can be added to the async suspend
> queue. Basically that means that it can be suspended/resumed in parallel
> with all the other async devices, but resume still waits for all those
> devices to finish before completing system resume.

Correct.

> My patch makes ata port and scsi disk resume 'non-blocking' (asynchronous
> with respect to system resume). Which means once they're called the power
> manager pays no more attention to them and will complete system resume
> whenever. Both the power manager and the ata subsystems call these 
> features 'asynchronous' so it can be confusing.

I see.  That's not explained very well in the patch description -- it
talks about going on to resume the next device on the list, but not
about waiting for the overall system resume to finish.

Alan Stern


  reply	other threads:[~2014-01-17 14:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 165+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-17 19:33 [PATCH/RESEND v2 0/2] SATA disk resume time optimization Todd E Brandt
2013-11-07  1:53 ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-07  1:57   ` [PATCH 1/3] sd: don't bother spinning up disks on resume Phillip Susi
2013-11-07 18:21     ` Douglas Gilbert
2013-11-07 21:16       ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-16 18:20         ` James Bottomley
2013-11-17  3:50           ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-17  6:43             ` James Bottomley
2013-11-17 16:15               ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-17 23:54                 ` Douglas Gilbert
2013-11-18  1:06                   ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-18 15:54                     ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-20 14:23                       ` Mark Lord
2013-11-20 14:48                         ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-28  1:39                           ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-18  0:09                 ` James Bottomley
2013-11-18  1:11                   ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-16  5:23       ` Mark Lord
2013-11-16 14:52         ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-07  1:57   ` [PATCH 2/3] libata: resume in the background Phillip Susi
2013-11-07  1:57   ` [PATCH 3/3] libata: don't start disks on resume Phillip Susi
2013-11-09  1:20   ` [PATCH/RESEND v2 0/2] SATA disk resume time optimization Todd E Brandt
2013-11-09 20:59     ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-09 21:03       ` [PATCH 0/6] Let sleeping disks lie Phillip Susi
2013-12-16 23:30         ` Phillip Susi
2013-12-16 23:30           ` [PATCH 1/6] libata: use sleep instead of standby command Phillip Susi
2013-12-16 23:30           ` [PATCH 2/6] libata: avoid waking disk for several commands Phillip Susi
2013-12-16 23:30           ` [PATCH 3/6] libata: resume in the background Phillip Susi
2014-01-10 22:26             ` Dan Williams
2014-01-11  2:25               ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-11  3:11                 ` Dan Williams
2013-12-16 23:30           ` [PATCH 4/6] libata: don't start disks on resume Phillip Susi
2013-12-16 23:30           ` [PATCH 5/6] sd: don't start disks on system resume Phillip Susi
2013-12-17  6:43             ` James Bottomley
2013-12-17 15:01               ` Phillip Susi
2013-12-17 17:48                 ` James Bottomley
2013-12-17 18:30                   ` Phillip Susi
2013-12-16 23:30           ` [PATCH 6/6] libata: return power status in REQUEST SENSE command Phillip Susi
2013-12-17 18:02             ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-12-17 18:35               ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-06  2:14           ` REQ_PM vs REQ_TYPE_PM_RESUME Phillip Susi
2014-01-06  7:36             ` Sujit Reddy Thumma
2014-01-06  9:15               ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-06 14:40                 ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-06 15:38                   ` Alan Stern
2014-01-07  2:44                     ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07 15:20                       ` Alan Stern
2014-01-07 15:40                         ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07 15:56                           ` Alan Stern
2014-01-09 18:29                           ` Douglas Gilbert
2014-01-09 19:20                             ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-10  5:23                               ` Douglas Gilbert
2014-01-10 14:29                                 ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07  7:49                   ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-07 14:50                     ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08  1:03                       ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-08  1:16                         ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08  1:32                           ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-08  1:53                             ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08  2:11                               ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-08  2:19                                 ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08  2:36                                   ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-08  5:24                                     ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08  7:00                                       ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-08 19:30                                         ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07 15:25                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-07 15:43                       ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07 16:08                         ` Alan Stern
2014-01-07 16:37                           ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07 18:05                             ` Alan Stern
2014-01-07 18:43                               ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-07 19:18                                 ` Alan Stern
2014-01-07 23:47                                   ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08 17:46                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-08 18:31                                       ` Alan Stern
2014-01-08 20:44                                         ` Allow runtime suspend during system resume Alan Stern
2014-01-08 21:17                                           ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-08 21:34                                             ` Alan Stern
2014-01-09 10:14                                               ` Ulf Hansson
2014-01-09 15:41                                                 ` Alan Stern
2014-01-08 22:55                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-08 23:24                                             ` Alan Stern
2014-01-09  0:05                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-09 15:32                                                 ` Alan Stern
2014-01-09 15:50                                                   ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-09 16:08                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-09 16:30                                                       ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-09 17:04                                                         ` Alan Stern
2014-01-10  1:25                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-10  1:55                                                     ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-10 13:35                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-10 14:46                                                         ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-10 15:25                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-10 23:02                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-11  2:08                                                         ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-11 22:50                                                           ` Alan Stern
2014-01-12  1:50                                                             ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-11 22:34                                                         ` Alan Stern
2014-01-08 20:20                                       ` REQ_PM vs REQ_TYPE_PM_RESUME Phillip Susi
2014-01-08 21:21                                         ` Alan Stern
2014-01-08 21:50                                           ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-09  1:29                                           ` Aaron Lu
2014-01-09 12:17                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-09 13:18                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-01-09 15:40                                             ` Alan Stern
2014-01-09 15:53                                               ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-09 16:14                                                 ` Alan Stern
2014-01-09 16:34                                                   ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-09 17:06                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-16 16:59                                                 ` Disk spin-up optimization during system resume Alan Stern
2014-01-16 18:04                                                   ` Todd E Brandt
2014-01-16 18:33                                                     ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-16 20:05                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-16 22:04                                                       ` Todd E Brandt
2014-01-17 14:57                                                         ` Alan Stern [this message]
2014-01-17 19:31                                                           ` Dan Williams
2014-01-17 20:15                                                             ` Alan Stern
2014-01-17 20:24                                                               ` Tejun Heo
2014-01-17 20:55                                                                 ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-18 14:04                                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2014-01-18  1:36                                                                 ` Todd E Brandt
2014-01-18  1:41                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2014-01-18  2:15                                                                   ` Dan Williams
2014-01-18  2:33                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-18  3:24                                                                   ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-18 13:59                                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2014-01-17 20:49                                                             ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-17 22:17                                                               ` Dan Williams
2014-01-18  3:18                                                                 ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-18  4:09                                                                   ` Dan Williams
2014-01-18 14:08                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-21 10:12                                                                       ` Dan Williams
2014-01-21 14:37                                                                         ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-21 16:03                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2014-01-21 16:18                                                                             ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-21 16:49                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2014-01-21 15:44                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2014-01-21 16:18                                                                           ` Dan Williams
2014-01-21 16:55                                                                             ` Dan Williams
2014-01-20 12:38                                                                     ` CrashPlan Pro
2014-01-20 14:30                                                                       ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-18  1:24                                                           ` Todd E Brandt
2014-01-18  3:20                                                             ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-16 18:39                                                   ` Phillip Susi
2014-01-16 20:08                                                     ` Alan Stern
2014-01-17 10:16                                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2014-01-17 10:21                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2014-01-17 18:18                                                       ` Alan Stern
2014-01-17 18:39                                                       ` James Bottomley
2014-01-17 19:07                                                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-11-09 21:03       ` [PATCH 1/6] libata: use sleep instead of standby command Phillip Susi
2013-11-09 21:03       ` [PATCH 2/6] libata: avoid waking disk to check power Phillip Susi
2013-11-11 13:05         ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-11-09 21:03       ` [PATCH 3/6] sd: don't bother spinning up disks on resume Phillip Susi
2013-11-11 13:08         ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-11-11 14:28           ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-09 21:03       ` [PATCH 4/6] libata: resume in the background Phillip Susi
2013-11-11 13:10         ` Sergei Shtylyov
2013-11-09 21:03       ` [PATCH 5/6] libata: don't start disks on resume Phillip Susi
2013-11-09 21:03       ` [PATCH 6/6] libata: fake some more commands when drive is sleeping Phillip Susi
2013-11-11 16:59       ` [PATCH/RESEND v2 0/2] SATA disk resume time optimization Todd E Brandt
2013-11-11 17:08         ` Phillip Susi
2013-12-17 12:15           ` Tejun Heo
2013-12-17 14:24             ` Phillip Susi
2013-11-27 16:18 ` Phillip Susi

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