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From: Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>
To: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>, <linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Nathaniel McCallum <nathaniel@profian.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"maintainer:X86 ARCHITECTURE (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)"
	<x86@kernel.org>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"open list:X86 ARCHITECTURE (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)" 
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2.1 14/30] x86/sgx: Support restricting of enclave page permissions
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 11:10:07 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a79df871-5c7c-ff25-1cdf-508750c8d802@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5e89a3be-0760-b1b4-7693-2f3d9ac5066b@intel.com>

Hi Jarkko,

Apologies, after thinking about this more I believe that I misunderstood
your proposal in my original answer.

On 3/9/2022 8:59 AM, Reinette Chatre wrote:
> Hi Jarkko,
> 
> On 3/9/2022 1:35 AM, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 09, 2022 at 10:52:22AM +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>>> On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 11:35:08AM +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>>>> +#define SGX_IOC_ENCLAVE_RESTRICT_PERMISSIONS \
>>>> +	_IOWR(SGX_MAGIC, 0x05, struct sgx_enclave_restrict_perm)
>>>
>>> What if this was replaced with just SGX_IOC_ENCLAVE_RESET_PAGES, which
>>> would simply do EMODPR with PROT_NONE? The main ingredient of EMODPR is to
>>> flush out the TLB's, and move a page to pending state, which cannot be done
>>> from inside the enclave.

Why not keep the flexibility of supporting all permission restrictions?

It is already possible to call SGX_IOC_ENCLAVE_RESTRICT_PERMISSIONS with PROT_NONE, no?

> I see the main ingredient as running EMODPR to restrict the EPCM permissions. If
> the user wants to use SGX_IOC_ENCLAVE_RESTRICT_PERMISSIONS just to flush TLB it is
> already possible since attempting to use EMODPR to relax permissions does not
> change any permissions (although it still sets EPCM.PR) but yet will still
> flush the TLB.
> 
> Even so, you have a very good point that removing SGX_IOC_ENCLAVE_RELAX_PERMISSIONS
> removes the ability for users to flush the TLB after an EMODPE. If there are
> thus PTEs present at the time the user runs EMODPE the pages would not be
> accessible with the new permissions.
> 
> Repurposing SGX_IOC_ENCLAVE_RESTRICT_PERMISSIONS with PROT_NONE to accomplish
> this is not efficient because:
> - For the OS to flush the TLB the enclave pages need not be in the EPC but
>   in order to run EMODPR the enclave page needs to be in the EPC. In an 
>   oversubscribed environment running EMODPR unnecessarily can thus introduce
>   a significant delay. Please see the performance comparison I did in
>   https://lore.kernel.org/linux-sgx/77e81306-6b03-4b09-2df2-48e09e2e79d5@intel.com/
>   The test shows that running EMODPR unnecessarily can be orders of magnitude slower.
> - Running EMODPR on an enclave page sets the EPCM.PR bin in the enclave page
>   that needs to be cleared with an EACCEPT from within the enclave.
>   If the user just wants to reset the TLB after running EMODPE then it should
>   not be necessary to run EACCEPT again to reset EPCM.PR.
> 
> Resetting the TLB is exactly what SGX_IOC_ENCLAVE_RELAX_PERMISSIONS did in an 
> efficient way - it is quick (no need to load pages into EPC) and it does not
> require EACCEPT to clear EPCM.PR. 
> 
> It looks like we need SGX_IOC_ENCLAVE_RELAX_PERMISSIONS back. We could
> rename it to SGX_IOC_ENCLAVE_RESET_PAGES if you prefer.
> 
>>> It's there because of microarchitecture constraints, and less so to work as
>>> a reasonable permission control mechanism (actually it does terrible job on
>>> that side and only confuses).
>>>
>>> Once you have this magic TLB reset button in place you can just do one
>>> EACCEPT and EMODPE inside the enclave and you're done.
>>>
>>> This is also kind of atomic in the sense that EACCEPT free's a page with no
>>> rights so no misuse can happend before EMODPE has tuned EPCM.
>>
>> I wonder if this type of pattern could be made work out for Graphene:
>>
>> 1. SGX_IOC_ENCLAVE_RESET_PAGES
>> 2. EACCEPT + EMODPE
>>
>> This kind of delivers EMODP that everyone has been looking for.
> 

As I understand it this is currently possible with
SGX_IOC_ENCLAVE_RESTRICT_PERMISSIONS.

Reinette


  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-09 19:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-04  9:34 [RFC PATCH v2.1 01/30] x86/sgx: Add short descriptions to ENCLS wrappers Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 02/30] x86/sgx: Add wrapper for SGX2 EMODPR function Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 03/30] x86/sgx: Add wrapper for SGX2 EMODT function Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 04/30] x86/sgx: Add wrapper for SGX2 EAUG function Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 05/30] Documentation/x86: Document SGX permission details Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 06/30] x86/sgx: Support VMA permissions more relaxed than enclave permissions Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 07/30] x86/sgx: Add pfn_mkwrite() handler for present PTEs Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 08/30] x86/sgx: Export sgx_encl_ewb_cpumask() Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 09/30] x86/sgx: Rename sgx_encl_ewb_cpumask() as sgx_encl_cpumask() Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 10/30] x86/sgx: Move PTE zap code to new sgx_zap_enclave_ptes() Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 11/30] x86/sgx: Make sgx_ipi_cb() available internally Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 12/30] x86/sgx: Create utility to validate user provided offset and length Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 13/30] x86/sgx: Keep record of SGX page type Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 14/30] x86/sgx: Support restricting of enclave page permissions Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-09  8:52   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-09  9:35     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-09 16:59       ` Reinette Chatre
2022-03-09 19:10         ` Reinette Chatre [this message]
2022-03-09 23:35         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-09 23:42           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-10  0:11             ` Reinette Chatre
2022-03-10  0:10           ` Reinette Chatre
2022-03-10  2:02             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 15/30] selftests/sgx: Add test for EPCM permission changes Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 16/30] selftests/sgx: Add test for TCS page " Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 17/30] x86/sgx: Support adding of pages to an initialized enclave Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 18/30] x86/sgx: Tighten accessible memory range after enclave initialization Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 19/30] selftests/sgx: Test two different SGX2 EAUG flows Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 20/30] x86/sgx: Support modifying SGX page type Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 21/30] x86/sgx: Support complete page removal Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 22/30] Documentation/x86: Introduce enclave runtime management section Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 23/30] selftests/sgx: Introduce dynamic entry point Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 24/30] selftests/sgx: Introduce TCS initialization enclave operation Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 25/30] selftests/sgx: Test complete changing of page type flow Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 26/30] selftests/sgx: Test faulty enclave behavior Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 27/30] selftests/sgx: Test invalid access to removed enclave page Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 28/30] selftests/sgx: Test reclaiming of untouched page Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 29/30] x86/sgx: Free up EPC pages directly to support large page ranges Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:35 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 30/30] selftests/sgx: Page removal stress test Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:40 ` [RFC PATCH v2.1 01/30] x86/sgx: Add short descriptions to ENCLS wrappers Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-04  9:41   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2022-03-14 19:04 ` Dave Hansen

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