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From: "Steve Wise" <swise-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
To: 'Jason Gunthorpe'
	<jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>,
	'Sagi Grimberg'
	<sagig-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
Cc: 'Christoph Hellwig' <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	'Or Gerlitz' <ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	'Oren Duer' <oren-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	'Chuck Lever'
	<chuck.lever-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	'Bart Van Assche' <bvanassche-HInyCGIudOg@public.gmane.org>,
	'Liran Liss' <liranl-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	"'Hefty,
	Sean'" <sean.hefty-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	'Doug Ledford' <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	'Tom Talpey' <tom-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: RE: Kernel fast memory registration API proposal [RFC]
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 13:50:01 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <005201d0bf2f$0e5e3ed0$2b1abc70$@opengridcomputing.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150715183129.GC23588-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: linux-rdma-owner-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org [mailto:linux-rdma-owner-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jason Gunthorpe
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:31 PM
> To: Sagi Grimberg
> Cc: Christoph Hellwig; linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org; Steve Wise; Or Gerlitz; Oren Duer; Chuck Lever; Bart Van Assche; Liran Liss;
Hefty,
> Sean; Doug Ledford; Tom Talpey
> Subject: Re: Kernel fast memory registration API proposal [RFC]
> 
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:01:46AM +0300, Sagi Grimberg wrote:
> > On 7/14/2015 8:09 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > >On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 07:55:39PM +0300, Sagi Grimberg wrote:
> > >
> > >>But, if people think that it's better to have an API that does implicit
> > >>posting always without notification, and then silently consume error or
> > >>flush completions. I can try and look at it as well.
> > >
> > >Can we do FMR transparently if we bundle the post? If yes, I'd call
> > >that a winner..
> >
> > Doing FMR transparently is not possible as the unmap flow is scheduling.
> > Unlike NFS, iSER unmaps from a soft-IRQ context, SRP unmaps from
> > hard-IRQ context. Changing the context to thread context is not
> > acceptable. The best we can do is using FMR_POOLs transparently.
> > Other than polluting the API and its semantics I suspect people will
> > have other problems with it (leaving the MRs open).
> 
> Upon deeper thought, I think I see a fairly simple solution here.
> 
> 1) Really, we probably never need a FMR for the lkey side, we should
>    just use multiple READ/WRITE ops to get a long enough SG list.
>    Even if this is not performant on mhca/ehca.
> 
>    If we absolutely need FMR for SEND/RECV lkey (do we? Anyone know?),
>    then I have some good thoughts on how to make that work transparent..
> 
>    However, rather than do all that, I'd probably choose to just
>    bounce buffer the few rare SEND/RECVs that need a MR. I'm guessing
>    the usage is 0 or near zero??
> 
> 2) The FMR completion flow for rkey is actually the same as the FRWR flow:
>     - Catch the SEND that says the READ/WRITE is done
>     - Issue an async invalidate
>     - Catch the invalidate completion
> 
> So, my simple proposal is to have the core wrapper mthca/ehca's
> poll_cq wrapper. The flow works like this:
> 
>   - ULP calls a 'rdma_post_close_rkey' helper
>      * For FRWR this posts the INVALIDATE

Note: Some send operations automatically invalidate an rkey (and the lkey for IB?).  This is intended to avoid having to post the
invalidate WR explicitly.  Namely IB_WR_READ_WITH_INV and IB_WR_SEND_WITH_INV.

>      * For FMR this triggers a work queue that issues the invalidate
>        async
>   - ULP calls poll_cq
>      * For FRWR no change, the driver is called directly
>      * For FMR, the poll_cq wrapper looks at a 2nd queue
>        filled in by the async work queue above. If it has entries they
>        are copied out as IB_WC_LOCAL_INV before calling the driver's
>        poll_cq.
> 
> This works best under the API I was talking about before, using
> posting helpers to form the right SQEs for the hardware being used.
> 
> I'm not exactly clear on the recycling rules for either FRWR or FMR -
> are they use-once-then-destroy, or can they be reused?
> 

For FRWRs, the MR can be reused with the same key values, or the bottom 8b of the keys can be modified before re-registering using
ib_update_fast_reg_key().  This allows applications to detect when using stale keys. 

> Basically.. I think something along your idea is a good first step, it
> unifies the driver API for the posting MR schemes.
> 
> The next step would be the posting helpers I've been talking about
> that do all the complicated logic for the ULPs. Those helpers would be
> able to hide the OP segmentation and FMR rkey using the above
> schemes.
> 
> This sounds very workable? Christoph?
> 
> Jason
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-07-15 18:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-10  9:09 Kernel fast memory registration API proposal [RFC] Sagi Grimberg
     [not found] ` <559F8BD1.9080308-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-11 10:39   ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]     ` <20150711103920.GE14741-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-12  7:57       ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]         ` <55A21DF6.6090909-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-12 18:15           ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]             ` <96901C8F-D916-4ECF-8DA4-C5C67FB8539E-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-13  6:47               ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                 ` <20150713064701.GB31842-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-13 14:16                   ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]                     ` <1D9C0527-E277-4C3F-A80D-C4FBAA3D82E9-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14  8:50                       ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                         ` <55A4CD5B.9030000-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 18:58                           ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-13 16:30   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <20150713163015.GA23832-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14  8:39       ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]         ` <55A4CABC.5050807-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 14:42           ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 15:33           ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]             ` <20150714153347.GA11026-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 15:53               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20150714155340.GA7399-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 16:46                   ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                     ` <55A53CFA.7070509-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 17:08                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20150714170808.GA19814-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 18:07                           ` Steve Wise
2015-07-15  3:05                           ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                             ` <55A5CDE2.4060904-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15  8:52                               ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 16:12               ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                 ` <55A534D1.6030008-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 16:16                   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 17:29                     ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 16:35                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20150714163506.GC7399-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 16:55                       ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                         ` <55A53F0B.5050009-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 17:09                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                             ` <20150714170859.GB19814-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15  8:01                               ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                                 ` <55A6136A.8010204-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15 14:32                                   ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]                                     ` <A9EF2F26-E737-4E80-B2E3-F8D6406F9893-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15 14:39                                       ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-15 17:19                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                         ` <20150715171926.GB23588-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15 18:39                                           ` Steve Wise
2015-07-15 21:25                                           ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]                                             ` <F2C64EE9-38A5-4DEE-B60E-AD8430FE1049-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15 22:49                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                 ` <20150715224928.GA941-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16 14:45                                                   ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]                                                     ` <F0518DEF-D43C-4CB6-89ED-CA3E94A4DD72-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16 14:56                                                       ` Steve Wise
2015-07-16 17:40                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                         ` <20150716174046.GB3680-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16 20:07                                                           ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]                                                             ` <F8484ABB-BED9-463F-8AEA-EB898EBDD93C-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16 20:49                                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20150716204932.GA10638-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-17 15:03                                                                   ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]                                                                     ` <62F9F5B8-0A18-4DF8-B47E-7408BFFE9904-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-17 17:21                                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                         ` <20150717172141.GA15808-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-17 19:26                                                                           ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]                                                                             ` <9A70883F-9963-42D0-9F5C-EF49F822A037-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-17 20:36                                                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-16  6:52                                       ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                                         ` <55A754BC.6010706-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16  8:07                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                             ` <20150716080702.GD9093-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16  8:29                                               ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                                                 ` <55A76B84.30504-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16 14:25                                                   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-16 14:40                                                     ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-15 18:31                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                     ` <20150715183129.GC23588-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15 18:50                                       ` Steve Wise [this message]
2015-07-15 19:09                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                           ` <20150715190947.GE23588-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15 19:26                                             ` Steve Wise
2015-07-16  8:02                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-15  7:32   ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]     ` <20150715073233.GA11535-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15  8:33       ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]         ` <55A61AE3.8020609-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15  9:07           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-15 19:15           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-15 17:07       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20150715170750.GA23588-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16 12:21           ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]             ` <55A7A1B0.5000808-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16 18:08               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20150716180806.GC3680-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-19  5:33                   ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                     ` <55AB36A4.1070102-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-20 16:23                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20150720162340.GB18336-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-20 16:29                           ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-19  5:45   ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]     ` <55AB3976.7060202-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-20 16:18       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20150720161821.GA18336-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-20 16:27           ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]             ` <55AD2188.50708-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-20 17:00               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20150720170033.GA20350-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-20 17:07                   ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                     ` <55AD2AB4.8010209-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-20 19:50                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20150720195027.GA24162-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-21 11:40                           ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                             ` <55AE2FA2.3000601-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-21 16:00                               ` Jason Gunthorpe

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