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From: Sagi Grimberg <sagig-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe
	<jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Steve Wise
	<swise-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>,
	Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Oren Duer <oren-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Bart Van Assche <bvanassche-HInyCGIudOg@public.gmane.org>,
	Liran Liss <liranl-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	"Hefty,
	Sean" <sean.hefty-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Doug Ledford <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Tom Talpey <tom-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Kernel fast memory registration API proposal [RFC]
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:12:01 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55A534D1.6030008@dev.mellanox.co.il> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150714153347.GA11026-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>

On 7/14/2015 6:33 PM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:39:24AM +0300, Sagi Grimberg wrote:
>> This is exactly what I don't want to do. I don't think that implicit
>> posting is a good idea for reasons that I mentioned earlier:
>>
>> "This is where I have a problem. Providing an API that may or may not
>> post a work request on my QP is confusing, and I don't understand its
>> semantics at all. Do I need to reserve slots on my QP? should I ask for
>> a completion? If we suppress the completion will I see an error
>> completion? What should I expect to find in the wr_id?"
>>
>> We're much better off with keeping the post interface in place but
>> have it much simpler.
>
> The ULP doesn't care if it needs to reserver the slot, and it generally
> doesn't care about the notification either unless it needs to handle an
> error.

That's generally correct. But the ULP may want to suppress notifications
of other posts as well (for example a storage initiator may want to
suppress send completions since it needs to reserve the request context
until it receives the status anyway - which is a receive completion). It
needs to take what was posted and what not into account to avoid
wrapping.

If I'm not mistaken iWARP requires to ask for a completion once every
send-queue length and empirically, IB drivers requires it too. So again,
I don't think implicit posting is a very good idea.

> The completions are another mad mightmare in the RDMA stack API.  Every
> other subsystem would just allow submitter to attach a function pointer
> that handles the completion to the posted item.

This is actually a good idea. And it can be easily added I think (at
least to mlx drivers which I better). It can help removing a switch
statement for the ULPs when handling the completions.

   But no, the RDMA stack
> instead require ID allocators and gigantic boilerplate code in the
> consumer to untangle that gigantic mess again.

I don't think the wr_id was ever intended to be an allocated tag. It's
the ULP context, usually a pointer to a transaction structure. Even
with passing a function pointer you need to get back your original
context don't you?
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-07-14 16:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-10  9:09 Kernel fast memory registration API proposal [RFC] Sagi Grimberg
     [not found] ` <559F8BD1.9080308-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-11 10:39   ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]     ` <20150711103920.GE14741-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-12  7:57       ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]         ` <55A21DF6.6090909-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-12 18:15           ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]             ` <96901C8F-D916-4ECF-8DA4-C5C67FB8539E-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-13  6:47               ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                 ` <20150713064701.GB31842-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-13 14:16                   ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]                     ` <1D9C0527-E277-4C3F-A80D-C4FBAA3D82E9-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14  8:50                       ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                         ` <55A4CD5B.9030000-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 18:58                           ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-13 16:30   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <20150713163015.GA23832-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14  8:39       ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]         ` <55A4CABC.5050807-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 14:42           ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 15:33           ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]             ` <20150714153347.GA11026-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 15:53               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20150714155340.GA7399-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 16:46                   ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                     ` <55A53CFA.7070509-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 17:08                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20150714170808.GA19814-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 18:07                           ` Steve Wise
2015-07-15  3:05                           ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                             ` <55A5CDE2.4060904-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15  8:52                               ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 16:12               ` Sagi Grimberg [this message]
     [not found]                 ` <55A534D1.6030008-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 16:16                   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 17:29                     ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 16:35                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20150714163506.GC7399-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 16:55                       ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                         ` <55A53F0B.5050009-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 17:09                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                             ` <20150714170859.GB19814-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15  8:01                               ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                                 ` <55A6136A.8010204-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15 14:32                                   ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]                                     ` <A9EF2F26-E737-4E80-B2E3-F8D6406F9893-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15 14:39                                       ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-15 17:19                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                         ` <20150715171926.GB23588-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15 18:39                                           ` Steve Wise
2015-07-15 21:25                                           ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]                                             ` <F2C64EE9-38A5-4DEE-B60E-AD8430FE1049-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15 22:49                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                 ` <20150715224928.GA941-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16 14:45                                                   ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]                                                     ` <F0518DEF-D43C-4CB6-89ED-CA3E94A4DD72-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16 14:56                                                       ` Steve Wise
2015-07-16 17:40                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                         ` <20150716174046.GB3680-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16 20:07                                                           ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]                                                             ` <F8484ABB-BED9-463F-8AEA-EB898EBDD93C-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16 20:49                                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20150716204932.GA10638-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-17 15:03                                                                   ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]                                                                     ` <62F9F5B8-0A18-4DF8-B47E-7408BFFE9904-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-17 17:21                                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                         ` <20150717172141.GA15808-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-17 19:26                                                                           ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]                                                                             ` <9A70883F-9963-42D0-9F5C-EF49F822A037-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-17 20:36                                                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-16  6:52                                       ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                                         ` <55A754BC.6010706-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16  8:07                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                             ` <20150716080702.GD9093-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16  8:29                                               ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                                                 ` <55A76B84.30504-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16 14:25                                                   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-16 14:40                                                     ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-15 18:31                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                     ` <20150715183129.GC23588-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15 18:50                                       ` Steve Wise
2015-07-15 19:09                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                           ` <20150715190947.GE23588-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15 19:26                                             ` Steve Wise
2015-07-16  8:02                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-15  7:32   ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]     ` <20150715073233.GA11535-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15  8:33       ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]         ` <55A61AE3.8020609-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15  9:07           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-15 19:15           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-15 17:07       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20150715170750.GA23588-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16 12:21           ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]             ` <55A7A1B0.5000808-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16 18:08               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20150716180806.GC3680-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-19  5:33                   ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                     ` <55AB36A4.1070102-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-20 16:23                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20150720162340.GB18336-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-20 16:29                           ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-19  5:45   ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]     ` <55AB3976.7060202-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-20 16:18       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20150720161821.GA18336-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-20 16:27           ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]             ` <55AD2188.50708-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-20 17:00               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20150720170033.GA20350-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-20 17:07                   ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                     ` <55AD2AB4.8010209-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-20 19:50                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20150720195027.GA24162-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-21 11:40                           ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                             ` <55AE2FA2.3000601-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-21 16:00                               ` Jason Gunthorpe

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