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From: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>
To: Bertrand Marquis <Bertrand.Marquis@arm.com>
Cc: "Oleksandr Andrushchenko" <Oleksandr_Andrushchenko@epam.com>,
	"Rahul Singh" <Rahul.Singh@arm.com>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org" <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
	"Andre Przywara" <Andre.Przywara@arm.com>,
	"Ian Jackson" <iwj@xenproject.org>, "Wei Liu" <wl@xen.org>,
	"Juergen Gross" <jgross@suse.com>,
	"Stefano Stabellini" <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	"Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 01/11] xen/arm: xc_domain_ioport_permission(..) not supported on ARM.
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 11:32:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0744b957-1832-dff2-9ae2-b8e8534f501b@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ED8FC92F-B5EF-4473-B4A9-641C7D44859F@arm.com>

On 12.10.2021 10:41, Bertrand Marquis wrote:
> Hi Jan,
> 
>> On 12 Oct 2021, at 09:29, Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 11.10.2021 19:11, Bertrand Marquis wrote:
>>>> On 11 Oct 2021, at 17:32, Roger Pau Monné <roger.pau@citrix.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 02:16:19PM +0000, Bertrand Marquis wrote:
>>>>>> On 11 Oct 2021, at 14:57, Roger Pau Monné <roger.pau@citrix.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I think the commit message needs to at least be expanded in order to
>>>>>> contain the information provided here. It might also be helpful to
>>>>>> figure out whether we would have to handle IO port accesses in the
>>>>>> future on Arm, or if it's fine to just ignore them.
>>>>>
>>>>> All our investigations and tests have been done without supporting it
>>>>> without any issues so this is not a critical feature (most devices can
>>>>> be operated without using the I/O ports).
>>>>
>>>> IMO we should let the users know they attempted to use a device with
>>>> BARs in the IO space, and that those BARs won't be accessible which
>>>> could make the device not function as expected.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think it would be reasonable to attempt the hypercall on Arm
>>>> also, and in case of error (on Arm) just print a warning message and
>>>> continue operations as normal?
>>>
>>> I think this would lead to a warning printed on lots of devices where in
>>> fact there would be no issues.
>>>
>>> If this is an issue for a device driver because it cannot operate without
>>> I/O ports, this will be raised by the driver inside the guest.
>>
>> On what basis would the driver complain? The kernel might know of
>> the MMIO equivalent for ports, and hence might allow the driver
>> to properly obtain whatever is needed to later access the ports.
>> Just that the port accesses then wouldn't work (possibly crashing
>> the guest, or making it otherwise misbehave).
> 
> As ECAM and Arm does not support I/O ports, a driver requesting access
> to them would get an error back.
> So in practice it is not possible to try to access the ioports as there is no
> way on arm to use them (no instructions).
> 
> A driver could misbehave by ignoring the fact that ioports are not there but
> I am not quite sure how we could solve that as it would be a bug in the driver.

The minimal thing I'd suggest (or maybe you're doing this already)
would be to expose such BARs to the guest as r/o zero, rather than
letting their port nature "shine through".

Jan



  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-12  9:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 190+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-06 17:40 [PATCH v5 00/11] PCI devices passthrough on Arm Rahul Singh
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 01/11] xen/arm: xc_domain_ioport_permission(..) not supported on ARM Rahul Singh
2021-10-11 11:47   ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 12:11     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 13:20       ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 13:40         ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 13:57           ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 14:16             ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 16:32               ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 17:11                 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12  8:29                   ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12  8:41                     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12  9:32                       ` Jan Beulich [this message]
2021-10-12  9:38                         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-12 10:01                           ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12 10:06                             ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-12 10:20                               ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12 10:41                                 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12 10:44                                   ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12 14:53                                   ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-12 16:15                                     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12 16:29                                       ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-12 20:42                                         ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-13  8:07                                           ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13 11:52                                             ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-13  8:02                                       ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13 12:02                                         ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-12  9:40                         ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12 10:03                           ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-11 14:16           ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 02/11] xen/arm: Add PHYSDEVOP_pci_device_(*add/remove) support for ARM Rahul Singh
2021-10-07  0:05   ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-07 12:58     ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-21  9:28   ` xen/arm: Missing appropriate locking for the IOMMU (WAS Re: [PATCH v5 02/11] xen/arm: Add PHYSDEVOP_pci_device_(*add/remove) support for ARM) Julien Grall
2021-10-21 13:15     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-21 13:47       ` Julien Grall
2021-10-21 13:52         ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 03/11] xen/arm: Add cmdline boot option "pci-passthrough = <boolean>" Rahul Singh
2021-10-07  8:27   ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-07  8:32     ` Rahul Singh
2021-10-07 12:59   ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 04/11] xen/arm: PCI host bridge discovery within XEN on ARM Rahul Singh
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 05/11] xen/arm: Add support for Xilinx ZynqMP PCI host controller Rahul Singh
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 06/11] xen/arm: Implement pci access functions Rahul Singh
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 07/11] xen/domctl: Introduce XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_vpci flag Rahul Singh
2021-10-07 13:08   ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-08 18:06   ` Andrew Cooper
2021-10-08 21:12     ` Julien Grall
2021-10-08 21:46       ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-11  9:24         ` Julien Grall
2021-10-11 11:29         ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-11 11:35           ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-11 13:17             ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11  9:48     ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-11  9:27   ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 12:06     ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-12 10:38     ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-13  8:30       ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13  9:36         ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-13 10:56           ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13 12:11             ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-13 12:57               ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-13 20:41                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-14  6:23                   ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-14  7:53                     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-13 14:28               ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13 20:53             ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-13 23:21               ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-12 21:48     ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-13  6:18       ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-13  7:11         ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 08/11] xen/arm: Enable the existing x86 virtual PCI support for ARM Rahul Singh
2021-10-07 13:43   ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-11 12:41     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 13:09       ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-11 13:34         ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 14:10           ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-11 14:52             ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 18:18             ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-12  8:04               ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12 21:37                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-13  6:10                   ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-13 10:02                     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-13 12:21                       ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12 15:04       ` Julien Grall
2021-10-12 16:12         ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12 16:20           ` Julien Grall
2021-10-12 17:50             ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 10:51   ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 16:12     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 16:20       ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-11 16:43         ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 17:15           ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 18:30             ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-11 19:27               ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-12  5:34                 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-12  7:44                 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12 14:32   ` Julien Grall
2021-10-12 14:34     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-13  8:45   ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13  9:48     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-13 10:33       ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13 13:00     ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-13 14:51       ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-13 15:15         ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-13 19:27           ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-14  6:33             ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-14  7:53               ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14  9:03               ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14  9:24                 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 09/11] xen/arm: Transitional change to build HAS_VPCI on ARM Rahul Singh
2021-10-11 11:43   ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 12:15     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12  1:32       ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 10/11] arm/libxl: Emulated PCI device tree node in libxl Rahul Singh
2021-10-06 18:01   ` Julien Grall
2021-10-07  0:26     ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-07 15:31       ` Rahul Singh
2021-10-07 10:53     ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-07 15:29       ` Rahul Singh
2021-10-07 16:11         ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-11 13:46           ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-14 17:16           ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14 14:49             ` [PATCH v6 0/3] PCI devices passthrough on Arm Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14 14:49               ` [PATCH v6 1/3] xen/vpci: Move ecam access functions to common code Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14 16:06                 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-14 17:09                   ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15  6:29                     ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15  7:37                       ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15  8:13                         ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15  8:20                           ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15  8:24                             ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15  9:49                           ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-14 23:47                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-15  7:44                 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-15  7:53                   ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15  9:53                     ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-15 10:12                       ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:14                       ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-14 14:49               ` [PATCH v6 2/3] xen/arm: Enable the existing x86 virtual PCI support for ARM Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14 23:49                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-15  6:40                   ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15  9:59                     ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-15 10:10                   ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15  8:00                 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 10:09                   ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:14                     ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-15 10:18                       ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 11:35                         ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-15 12:13                           ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 12:18                             ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 12:28                               ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 13:00                                 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 13:10                                   ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:38                     ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15  8:32                 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-15  8:42                   ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-15  9:52                   ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:13                     ` Luca Fancellu
2021-10-15 10:17                       ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:19                     ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-15 10:31                       ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:24                     ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 10:33                       ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:41                         ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 10:48                           ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:51                             ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 11:08                               ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 13:47                             ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-15 14:00                               ` Luca Fancellu
2021-10-15 14:32                                 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-14 14:49               ` [PATCH v6 3/3] arm/libxl: Emulated PCI device tree node in libxl Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14 17:54                 ` [PATCH v6 3/3] arm/libxl: Emulated PCI device tree node in libxl [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson
2021-10-14 23:50                   ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-15  7:28                   ` Julien Grall
2021-10-15  7:41                     ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-15  9:01                       ` Julien Grall
2021-10-15 10:02                     ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-15 10:58                       ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-15 11:04                         ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-15 11:46                         ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-15 11:53                           ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-15 12:10                             ` Julien Grall
2021-10-15 12:14                               ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-15 12:13                             ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-12 15:03   ` [PATCH v5 10/11] arm/libxl: Emulated PCI device tree node in libxl Ian Jackson
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 11/11] xen/arm: Add linux,pci-domain property for hwdom if not available Rahul Singh
2021-10-13 20:54   ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-07 19:54 ` [PATCH v5 00/11] PCI devices passthrough on Arm Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-07 21:29   ` Rahul Singh

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