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From: Ian Jackson <iwj@xenproject.org>
To: Bertrand Marquis <Bertrand.Marquis@arm.com>
Cc: "Jan Beulich" <jbeulich@suse.com>,
	"Oleksandr Andrushchenko" <Oleksandr_Andrushchenko@epam.com>,
	"Rahul Singh" <Rahul.Singh@arm.com>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org" <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
	"Andre Przywara" <Andre.Przywara@arm.com>, "Wei Liu" <wl@xen.org>,
	"Juergen Gross" <jgross@suse.com>,
	"Stefano Stabellini" <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	"Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 01/11] xen/arm: xc_domain_ioport_permission(..) not supported on ARM.
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 17:29:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <24933.47094.43672.782143@mariner.uk.xensource.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AB6D62B6-2ED2-4957-A933-08EC77A4DFD6@arm.com>

Bertrand Marquis writes ("Re: [PATCH v5 01/11] xen/arm: xc_domain_ioport_permission(..) not supported on ARM."):
> I can add something in the commit message about the fact that we improve
> performance and prevent to do a call that is and will not be supported in Xen.

Thanks but I'm afraid I don't think that is a correct summary of the
thread.  Nor would it be an adequate justification for the change.  At
least, not unless you plan to write something considerably longer (and
more precise).

Firstly, I'm not convinced this change would be justified by the
performance impact.  This is a small number of hypercalls during
domain startup.  Usually none, I think ?  If someone wants to optimise
domain startup speed then I am very open to that but I think this
change will make negligible change in practice.  Unless someone wants
to tell me I'm wrong about that ?  And if I am wrong about that then
an explanation of why my suppositions are wrong ought to go in the
commit message.

Secondly, there is no justification there for the change in error
status.

Why is this change needed ?  (What goes wrong if it is omitted ?)
That is what the commit message ought to answer.

Plus, given that it stubs out a function to make it into a no-op, that
itself requires an explanation.  Why is it OK for this function which
is supposed to do a thing, to in fact not do anything at all and
return successfully saying "yes I did that" ?

I think (having read the thread) that I know the answers to these
questions but it needs to be clearly and explicitly written down.

> I saw your change in CODING_STYLE and I understand the request.
> I will try to see if we can handle this change before the feature freeze.

Thanks.  I doubt that this will be hard.  I am more worried about the
commit message.

Indeed, since we haven't had the rationale for this change explicitly
written down, there is a risk that when we do so, we will discover
some problem with the approach that we had previously overlooked.

Discovering that kind of thing is one reason to explicitly write down
why we are doing what we are doing, but this situation does mean we
shouldn't feel we've yet achieved confidence that this patch is right.

Sorry,
Ian.


  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-12 16:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 190+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-06 17:40 [PATCH v5 00/11] PCI devices passthrough on Arm Rahul Singh
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 01/11] xen/arm: xc_domain_ioport_permission(..) not supported on ARM Rahul Singh
2021-10-11 11:47   ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 12:11     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 13:20       ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 13:40         ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 13:57           ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 14:16             ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 16:32               ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 17:11                 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12  8:29                   ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12  8:41                     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12  9:32                       ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12  9:38                         ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-12 10:01                           ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12 10:06                             ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-12 10:20                               ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12 10:41                                 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12 10:44                                   ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12 14:53                                   ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-12 16:15                                     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12 16:29                                       ` Ian Jackson [this message]
2021-10-12 20:42                                         ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-13  8:07                                           ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13 11:52                                             ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-13  8:02                                       ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13 12:02                                         ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-12  9:40                         ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12 10:03                           ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-11 14:16           ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 02/11] xen/arm: Add PHYSDEVOP_pci_device_(*add/remove) support for ARM Rahul Singh
2021-10-07  0:05   ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-07 12:58     ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-21  9:28   ` xen/arm: Missing appropriate locking for the IOMMU (WAS Re: [PATCH v5 02/11] xen/arm: Add PHYSDEVOP_pci_device_(*add/remove) support for ARM) Julien Grall
2021-10-21 13:15     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-21 13:47       ` Julien Grall
2021-10-21 13:52         ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 03/11] xen/arm: Add cmdline boot option "pci-passthrough = <boolean>" Rahul Singh
2021-10-07  8:27   ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-07  8:32     ` Rahul Singh
2021-10-07 12:59   ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 04/11] xen/arm: PCI host bridge discovery within XEN on ARM Rahul Singh
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 05/11] xen/arm: Add support for Xilinx ZynqMP PCI host controller Rahul Singh
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 06/11] xen/arm: Implement pci access functions Rahul Singh
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 07/11] xen/domctl: Introduce XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_vpci flag Rahul Singh
2021-10-07 13:08   ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-08 18:06   ` Andrew Cooper
2021-10-08 21:12     ` Julien Grall
2021-10-08 21:46       ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-11  9:24         ` Julien Grall
2021-10-11 11:29         ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-11 11:35           ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-11 13:17             ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11  9:48     ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-11  9:27   ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 12:06     ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-12 10:38     ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-13  8:30       ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13  9:36         ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-13 10:56           ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13 12:11             ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-13 12:57               ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-13 20:41                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-14  6:23                   ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-14  7:53                     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-13 14:28               ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13 20:53             ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-13 23:21               ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-12 21:48     ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-13  6:18       ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-13  7:11         ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 08/11] xen/arm: Enable the existing x86 virtual PCI support for ARM Rahul Singh
2021-10-07 13:43   ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-11 12:41     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 13:09       ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-11 13:34         ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 14:10           ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-11 14:52             ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 18:18             ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-12  8:04               ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12 21:37                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-13  6:10                   ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-13 10:02                     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-13 12:21                       ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12 15:04       ` Julien Grall
2021-10-12 16:12         ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12 16:20           ` Julien Grall
2021-10-12 17:50             ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 10:51   ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 16:12     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 16:20       ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-11 16:43         ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 17:15           ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 18:30             ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-11 19:27               ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-12  5:34                 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-12  7:44                 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12 14:32   ` Julien Grall
2021-10-12 14:34     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-13  8:45   ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13  9:48     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-13 10:33       ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13 13:00     ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-13 14:51       ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-13 15:15         ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-13 19:27           ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-14  6:33             ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-14  7:53               ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14  9:03               ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14  9:24                 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 09/11] xen/arm: Transitional change to build HAS_VPCI on ARM Rahul Singh
2021-10-11 11:43   ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 12:15     ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12  1:32       ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 10/11] arm/libxl: Emulated PCI device tree node in libxl Rahul Singh
2021-10-06 18:01   ` Julien Grall
2021-10-07  0:26     ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-07 15:31       ` Rahul Singh
2021-10-07 10:53     ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-07 15:29       ` Rahul Singh
2021-10-07 16:11         ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-11 13:46           ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-14 17:16           ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14 14:49             ` [PATCH v6 0/3] PCI devices passthrough on Arm Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14 14:49               ` [PATCH v6 1/3] xen/vpci: Move ecam access functions to common code Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14 16:06                 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-14 17:09                   ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15  6:29                     ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15  7:37                       ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15  8:13                         ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15  8:20                           ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15  8:24                             ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15  9:49                           ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-14 23:47                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-15  7:44                 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-15  7:53                   ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15  9:53                     ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-15 10:12                       ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:14                       ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-14 14:49               ` [PATCH v6 2/3] xen/arm: Enable the existing x86 virtual PCI support for ARM Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14 23:49                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-15  6:40                   ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15  9:59                     ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-15 10:10                   ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15  8:00                 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 10:09                   ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:14                     ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-15 10:18                       ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 11:35                         ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-15 12:13                           ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 12:18                             ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 12:28                               ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 13:00                                 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 13:10                                   ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:38                     ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15  8:32                 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-15  8:42                   ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-15  9:52                   ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:13                     ` Luca Fancellu
2021-10-15 10:17                       ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:19                     ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-15 10:31                       ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:24                     ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 10:33                       ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:41                         ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 10:48                           ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:51                             ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 11:08                               ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 13:47                             ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-15 14:00                               ` Luca Fancellu
2021-10-15 14:32                                 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-14 14:49               ` [PATCH v6 3/3] arm/libxl: Emulated PCI device tree node in libxl Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14 17:54                 ` [PATCH v6 3/3] arm/libxl: Emulated PCI device tree node in libxl [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson
2021-10-14 23:50                   ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-15  7:28                   ` Julien Grall
2021-10-15  7:41                     ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-15  9:01                       ` Julien Grall
2021-10-15 10:02                     ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-15 10:58                       ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-15 11:04                         ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-15 11:46                         ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-15 11:53                           ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-15 12:10                             ` Julien Grall
2021-10-15 12:14                               ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-15 12:13                             ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-12 15:03   ` [PATCH v5 10/11] arm/libxl: Emulated PCI device tree node in libxl Ian Jackson
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 11/11] xen/arm: Add linux,pci-domain property for hwdom if not available Rahul Singh
2021-10-13 20:54   ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-07 19:54 ` [PATCH v5 00/11] PCI devices passthrough on Arm Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-07 21:29   ` Rahul Singh

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