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From: Elias El Yandouzi <eliasely@amazon.com>
To: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>, Julien Grall <julien@xen.org>
Cc: "Hongyan Xia" <hongyxia@amazon.com>,
	"Andrew Cooper" <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	"George Dunlap" <george.dunlap@citrix.com>,
	"Stefano Stabellini" <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	"Wei Liu" <wl@xen.org>,
	"Bertrand Marquis" <bertrand.marquis@arm.com>,
	"Volodymyr Babchuk" <Volodymyr_Babchuk@epam.com>,
	"Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>,
	"Julien Grall" <jgrall@amazon.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/22] x86: add a boot option to enable and disable the direct map
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 18:25:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0dcc54dd-b729-4e20-95af-fa4907a550c6@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ba63d435-e26f-4c76-aedc-c027e8b03a6d@suse.com>



On 11/01/2024 14:09, Jan Beulich wrote:
> On 11.01.2024 13:25, Julien Grall wrote:
>> Hi Jan,
>>
>> On 11/01/2024 11:53, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>> On 11.01.2024 11:47, Elias El Yandouzi wrote:
>>>> On 22/12/2022 13:24, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>> That said, I think this change comes too early in the series, or there is
>>>>> something missing.
>>>>
>>>> At first, I had the same feeling but looking at the rest of the series,
>>>> I can see that the option is needed in follow-up patches.
>>>>
>>>>> As said in reply to patch 10, while there the mapcache
>>>>> is being initialized for the idle domain, I don't think it can be used
>>>>> just yet. Read through mapcache_current_vcpu() to understand why I think
>>>>> that way, paying particular attention to the ASSERT() near the end.
>>>>
>>>> Would be able to elaborate a bit more why you think that? I haven't been
>>>> able to get your point.
>>>
>>> Why exactly I referred to the ASSERT() there I can't reconstruct. The
>>> function as a whole looks problematic though when suddenly the idle
>>> domain also gains a mapcache. I'm sorry, too much context was lost
>>> from over a year ago; all of this will need looking at from scratch
>>> again whenever a new version was posted.
>>>
>>>>> In preparation of this patch here I think the mfn_to_virt() uses have to all
>>>>> disappear from map_domain_page(). Perhaps yet more strongly all
>>>>> ..._to_virt() (except fix_to_virt() and friends) and __va() have to
>>>>> disappear up front from x86 and any code path which can be taken on x86
>>>>> (which may simply mean purging all respective x86 #define-s, without
>>>>> breaking the build in any way).
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you on that one. I think it is what we're aiming for in the
>>>> long term. However, as mentioned by Julien in the cover letter, the
>>>> series's name is a misnomer and I am afraid we won't be able to remove
>>>> all of them with this series. These helpers would still be used for
>>>> xenheap pages or when the direct map is enabled.
>>>
>>> Leaving a hazard of certain uses not having been converted, or even
>>> overlooked in patches going in at around the same time as this series?
>>> I view this as pretty "adventurous".
>>
>> Until we get rid of the directmap completely (which is not the goal of
>> this series), we will need to keep mfn_to_virt().
>>
>> In fact the one you ask to remove in map_domain_page() will need to be
>> replaced with function doing the same thing. The same for the code that
>> will initially prepare the directmap. This to avoid impacting
>> performance when the user still wants to use the directmap.
>>
>> So are you just asking to remove most of the use and rename *_to_virt()
>> to something that is more directmap specific (e.g. mfn_to_directmap_virt())?
> 
> Well, in a way. If done this way, mfn_to_virt() (and __va()) should have no
> users by the end of the series, and it would be obvious that nothing was
> missed (and by then purging the old ones we could also ensure no new uses
> would appear).

What about maddr_to_virt()? For instance, in the function 
xen/arch/x86/dmi_scan.c:dmi_iterate(), we need to access a very low 
machine address which isn't in the directmap range.

How would you proceed? Calling vmap() seems to be a bit overkill for 
just a temporary mapping and I don't really want to rework this function 
to use map_domain_page().

In such case, how would you proceed? What do you suggest?

Cheers,

-- 
Elias


  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-11 18:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-16 11:48 [PATCH 00/22] Remove the directmap Julien Grall
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 01/22] xen/common: page_alloc: Re-order includes Julien Grall
2022-12-16 12:03   ` Jan Beulich
2022-12-23  9:29     ` Julien Grall
2023-01-23 21:29   ` Stefano Stabellini
2023-01-23 21:57     ` Julien Grall
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 02/22] x86/setup: move vm_init() before acpi calls Julien Grall
2022-12-20 15:08   ` Jan Beulich
2022-12-21 10:18     ` Julien Grall
2022-12-21 10:22       ` Jan Beulich
2022-12-23  9:51         ` Julien Grall
2022-12-23  9:51     ` Julien Grall
2023-01-23 21:34   ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 03/22] acpi: vmap pages in acpi_os_alloc_memory Julien Grall
2022-12-16 12:07   ` Julien Grall
2022-12-20 15:15   ` Jan Beulich
2022-12-21 10:23     ` Julien Grall
2023-01-23 21:39   ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 04/22] xen/numa: vmap the pages for memnodemap Julien Grall
2022-12-20 15:25   ` Jan Beulich
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 05/22] x86/srat: vmap the pages for acpi_slit Julien Grall
2022-12-20 15:30   ` Jan Beulich
2022-12-23 11:31     ` Julien Grall
2023-01-04 10:23       ` Jan Beulich
2023-01-12 23:15         ` Julien Grall
2023-01-13  9:16           ` Jan Beulich
2023-01-13  9:17             ` Julien Grall
2023-01-30 19:27       ` Julien Grall
2023-01-31  9:11         ` Jan Beulich
2023-01-31 21:37           ` Julien Grall
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 06/22] x86: map/unmap pages in restore_all_guests Julien Grall
2022-12-22 11:12   ` Jan Beulich
2022-12-23 12:22     ` Julien Grall
2023-01-04 10:27       ` Jan Beulich
2023-01-12 23:20         ` Julien Grall
2023-01-13  9:22           ` Jan Beulich
2023-06-22 10:44             ` Julien Grall
2023-06-22 13:19               ` Jan Beulich
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 07/22] x86/pv: domheap pages should be mapped while relocating initrd Julien Grall
2022-12-22 11:18   ` Jan Beulich
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 08/22] x86/pv: rewrite how building PV dom0 handles domheap mappings Julien Grall
2022-12-22 11:48   ` Jan Beulich
2024-01-10 12:50     ` El Yandouzi, Elias
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 09/22] x86: lift mapcache variable to the arch level Julien Grall
2022-12-22 12:53   ` Jan Beulich
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 10/22] x86/mapcache: initialise the mapcache for the idle domain Julien Grall
2022-12-22 13:06   ` Jan Beulich
2024-01-10 16:24     ` Elias El Yandouzi
2024-01-11  7:53       ` Jan Beulich
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 11/22] x86: add a boot option to enable and disable the direct map Julien Grall
2022-12-22 13:24   ` Jan Beulich
2024-01-11 10:47     ` Elias El Yandouzi
2024-01-11 11:53       ` Jan Beulich
2024-01-11 12:25         ` Julien Grall
2024-01-11 14:09           ` Jan Beulich
2024-01-11 18:25             ` Elias El Yandouzi [this message]
2024-01-12  7:47               ` Jan Beulich
2024-01-15 14:50                 ` Elias El Yandouzi
2024-01-16  8:30                   ` Jan Beulich
2023-01-23 21:45   ` Stefano Stabellini
2023-01-23 22:01     ` Julien Grall
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 12/22] xen/arm: fixmap: Rename the fixmap slots to follow the x86 convention Julien Grall
2022-12-22 13:29   ` Jan Beulich
2023-01-06 14:54   ` Henry Wang
2023-01-23 21:47   ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 13/22] xen/x86: Add support for the PMAP Julien Grall
2023-01-05 16:46   ` Jan Beulich
2023-01-05 17:50     ` Julien Grall
2023-01-06  7:17       ` Jan Beulich
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 14/22] x86/domain_page: remove the fast paths when mfn is not in the directmap Julien Grall
2023-01-11 14:11   ` Jan Beulich
2024-01-11 14:22     ` Elias El Yandouzi
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 15/22] xen/page_alloc: add a path for xenheap when there is no direct map Julien Grall
2023-01-11 14:23   ` Jan Beulich
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 16/22] x86/setup: leave early boot slightly earlier Julien Grall
2023-01-11 14:34   ` Jan Beulich
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 17/22] x86/setup: vmap heap nodes when they are outside the direct map Julien Grall
2023-01-11 14:39   ` Jan Beulich
2023-01-23 22:03   ` Stefano Stabellini
2023-01-23 22:23     ` Julien Grall
2023-01-23 22:56       ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 18/22] x86/setup: do not create valid mappings when directmap=no Julien Grall
2023-01-11 14:47   ` Jan Beulich
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 19/22] xen/arm32: mm: Rename 'first' to 'root' in init_secondary_pagetables() Julien Grall
2023-01-06 14:54   ` Henry Wang
2023-01-23 22:06   ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 20/22] xen/arm64: mm: Use per-pCPU page-tables Julien Grall
2023-01-06 14:54   ` Henry Wang
2023-01-06 15:44     ` Julien Grall
2023-01-07  2:22       ` Henry Wang
2023-01-23 22:21   ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 21/22] xen/arm64: Implement a mapcache for arm64 Julien Grall
2023-01-06 14:55   ` Henry Wang
2023-01-23 22:34   ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-12-16 11:48 ` [PATCH 22/22] xen/arm64: Allow the admin to enable/disable the directmap Julien Grall
2023-01-06 14:55   ` Henry Wang
2023-01-23 22:52   ` Stefano Stabellini
2023-01-23 23:09     ` Julien Grall
2023-01-24  0:12       ` Stefano Stabellini
2023-01-24 18:06         ` Julien Grall
2023-01-24 20:48           ` Stefano Stabellini

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